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Tangential, but I wish companies like this didn’t force people to provide so much PII in the first place. In Australia, I’m yet to use a QR menu that doesn’t f
by shortcake27 3y ago
Tangential, but I wish companies like this didn’t force people to provide so much PII in the first place.
In Australia, I’m yet to use a QR menu that doesn’t force me to provide my phone number. Why is my phone number necessary to order a bowl of chips? Ah, I see, Liven needs my phone number so they can sell it, according to their Privacy Policy. Mr Yum apparently doesn’t sell it, but still forces me to provide it anyway.
- Gordonjcp 3y agoMaybe so that if you live in a house where the "street address" doesn't actually match the street you're on, because 1950s town planning conflicts with 1590s town planning, the delivery driver can phone you before your "Special Mixed Kebab" - a bulging 16" pizza box full of doner, kofta, shaslik, shawerma, fried chicken, burgers, pakora, four Naan breads and half a litre of hummus, for 25 quid - gets cold?
- topato 3y agoOP is definitely referring to QR codes to view menus INSIDE of the restaurant. Obviously phone numbers for delivery has an actual use.
- NoZebra120vClip 3y ago> Obviously phone numbers for delivery has an actual use. You would think that, wouldn't you? I routinely see my real number printed on store receipts when the store has no reason to have them. GrubHub is supposed to anonymize numbers; the drivers always come through on a particular area code that I can recognize. I've had drivers call me when lost, and it's always lost within my apartment complex (even though I've given really specific notes for every step of the way). I just explain it the same way I did in the notes, but they sometimes have a really poor sense of direction. I've had a couple drivers call me because they refused to leave their car or come to the doorstep to put the food where they're supposed to. In fact, one of them sent me a photo of the Dumpster where I guess he tossed my meal. Also, driver numbers are disclosed to the customer so that we can contact them. Drivers never answer their phones nor reply to texts. Their voice mail box is always full. If your order disappeared then the driver won't be answerable for that.
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- cafeinux 3y agoThis comment is absurd but I would like to order that please.
- marcus_holmes 3y agoNow I'm hungry
- noodlesUK 3y agoThat’s quite different from my experience using QR menus, which at least here in the UK are often just a (rather pointless) link to the PDF menu that the restaurant already had. It’s only in the case of medium sized chains that you get sent to some random website where you can order things.
- lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 3y ago> link to the PDF menu And the especially responsible will print the (human-readable...) URL under the QR code.
- davchana 3y agoI personally always print a human readable url in monospace font underneath every QR code I generate. A restaurant in California has menu available only at QR code, and QR code is printed in MS word with skewed dimensions (rectangle instead of a square).
- bibabaloo 3y agoThere's both QR codes that are links to menus and QR codes that are links to interactive menus you can order directly from. Usually the latter will require some sort of sign up.
- sanarothe 3y agoIt's become impossible to get sit down food or a drink in a US airport without using (what seems to be the same) company's QR code online order and pay to your seat system. It seems to be the same system for every restaurant or bar. Besides needing to provide unnecessary amounts of information, it also requires a well working internet connection to load their bloated website. Which is often spotty so... very frustrating. Luckily QR menus are going out of style.
- shortcake27 3y agoYeah that’s a good point. I’m actually in the UK at the moment and Wetherspoons is the only place where I’m ordering with my phone (also, the Wetherspoon app is a great example of mobile ordering done right - fast and no collection of PII). Compared to Melbourne where half the pubs I visit tell me to order via the QR menu where I have to punch in my number and get an OTP before I can order anything.
- JohnFen 3y ago> I’m yet to use a QR menu that doesn’t force me to provide my phone number. That's insane. I never use the QR menus -- I always ask for a printed one -- so I don't know if that's how it works around here, but I certainly hope not.
- Freedom2 3y agoI have a friend in the midwest who actually can't use QR codes - he gets electric shocks whenever his phone tries to scan one. Definitely weird!
- stouset 3y agoLet me get this straight: your friend continues to use an electronic device which routinely delivers electric shocks to them upon execution of arbitrary software instructions?
- antod 3y agoIt's now part of his workflow. The control button was hard to reach, so he configured emacs to interpret electric shocks as "control".
- cafeinux 3y agoI definitely have read this reference, but I can't for the life of me remember where it came from or what was the actual bug report.
- wlesieutre 3y agohttps://xkcd.com/1172/ https://xkcd.com/1172/
- NoZebra120vClip 3y agoHe had depression but now it's gone, so the treatment must be working.
- psychlops 3y agoIn the US, I've never used a QR menu. If they ask, I just tell them my phone is broken and won't work to scan the QR.
- lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 3y agoA coworker often uses the phrase, "I don't do that." It's a very useful phrase in some circumstances and I have stolen it shamelessly.
- xur17 3y agoHad a similar thing with my ISP. Upgraded to a faster speed and they tried to slap a $100 "installation fee" on it. Just said "I don't pay installation fees", and it worked out better than I thought it would.
- Given_47 3y agoThis is great I’m definitely gonna remember this. Epitome of the bugs bunny “no” meme
- NoZebra120vClip 3y ago"You will! And the company that will bring it to you... is AT&T!" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You_Will https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You_Will
- autoexec 3y ago> Why is my phone number necessary to order a bowl of chips? Maybe as a backup for whatever unique device ID your phone gives them? The goal with QR menus right now is mostly conditioning people to accept them, but the long term goal is making it so that they can figure out who you are, what your income level is, what your eating habits are, what your order history has been, plus whatever else they feel like gathering and then using all that data to dynamically generate a menu with the highest possible prices they think they can wring out of you. They want to make it so that when you order a bowl of chips they can charge you more than the person next to you who orders that same menu item without you ever being aware of that fact. They want to be able to adjust your prices with each visit to algorithmically determine the maximum amount you'll pay for something. I'd suggest staying away from QR menus and rejecting the idea that discriminatory pricing is acceptable.
- luckman212 3y agoJesus, is this really a thing? What about a group of people with different wealth profiles sitting at the same table? Would John who orders a steak and drives a Mercedes be charged $85 while Amy who drives a Honda Civic pay only $65 for that same steak?
- matkoniecz 3y ago> Jesus, is this really a thing? Plane tickets are going into that direction, though no direct differentiation between people for now. But routes/connections/timings indicating for example business travel will induce higher price than the same seat sold as part of flight indicating client more influenced by cost of flight. And price differs between various places even in case buying the same seat for the same flight. For example you can effectively pay to skip deliberately annoying parts.
- autoexec 3y agoYes. See for example https://link.springer.com/article/10.1057/s41272-019-00224-3 https://link.springer.com/article/10.1057/s41272-019-00224-3 many stores (including grocery stores) have already been testing it out. The biggest hurdle they face is the fact that most people (if aware that it's happening at all) find it offensive, which it is. Even those store loyalty cards are conditioning us to accept the idea that certain people get, or even deserve to get, different prices because of who or what they are. Prices should be transparent and it shouldn't matter how much money you have, or who you know, or how "loyal" you are (what a sick concept!) to a grocery store.
- reportgunner 3y agoHonest question, why would anyone ever use a QR menu ? It seems like a more complicated process in every way.
- mhdhn 3y agoThey got big during COVID days for being more "touchless"
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- reportgunner 3y agoI guess "because someone told them to" is the answer I'm looking for.
- shortcake27 3y agoI actually like the concept when executed properly. If I’m eating out at a bar by myself, it means I don’t have to lose my table to get up and order. I also have social anxiety, if the bar is packed it’s a real problem for me. I’ll usually end up hovering while everyone else takes advantage and pushes in front of me. The Wetherspoons app in the UK is a great example. Easy and fast to use, requires no account/PII just pay with Apple Pay.
- reportgunner 3y agoFair. I think if this was the case for me I would go to a bar that has waiters or just get a take out.