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Seeing a16z w/early access, enough to build multiple tools in advance, is a very unpleasant reminder of insularity and self-dealing of SV elites. My greatest h

Seeing a16z w/early access, enough to build multiple tools in advance, is a very unpleasant reminder of insularity and self-dealing of SV elites. My greatest hope for AI is no one falls for this kind of stuff the way we did for mobile.

dicishxg 3y ago
And yet here we are a few weeks after that with a free to use model that cost millions to develop and is open to everyone. I think you’re taking an unwarranted entitled view.
- refulgentis 3y ago
  I can't parse this: I assume it assumes I assume that a16z could have ensured it wasn't released It's not that, just what it says on the tin: SV elites are not good for SV
- ipaddr 3y ago
  You act like this is a gift of charity instead of attempts to stay relevant.
  - ianbutler 3y ago
    What? Tell me you don't follow the space. FB AI is one of the top labs..
    - refulgentis 3y ago
      We're talking about a16z, not Facebook.
  - unshavedyak 3y ago
    The best charity is one that benefits both parties, no?
    - TechBro8615 3y ago
      That's just a trade. If we assume "charity" is "altruism," then by definition there must be no benefit to the giver.
      - freedomben 3y ago
        I don't think that's even possible, but if it was it would be a disaster because humans don't work that way. We respond to incentive. When giving to charity, the incentive can be as simple as "I feel good" but it's still an incentive.
        ipaddr 3y ago
        Some do what's right even if it doesn't feel good. The best charity can be painful.
        freedomben 3y ago
        Definitely, but the pain was decided to be worth it because the feeling the person got from doing the thing (or the pain they avoided by doing the thing) was worth it. For example a friend of mine has an adult kid who is homeless. They have tried to help many times but this person keeps falling back into the same things that led to the situation in the first place. The pain of watching your child go through something can be an incentive to help. My friend has helped his son even though my friend isn't well off and experiences financial pain. He's still responding to an incentive (that of not wanting to watch his child suffer) even though he's experiencing pain from it. If a person believes they are doing the right thing, their brain will release dopamine (aka a reward) simply for acting within their belief system. To be clear, I'm not trying to minimize or dismiss people's sacrifices. I still think they are noble
        unshavedyak 3y ago
        What? Pain has nothing to do with this. The positives outweigh the negatives by whatever criteria the giver uses to decide to do the act of giving. This is always true. No? Even self sacrifice, such as jumping in front of a bus, you deem to be the right thing - you chose an action because you believed it was a positive, for you, action. Just because you die doesn't mean you didn't still felt it was right, in that moment. If you do something you do not believe is a positive it changes from charity to masochism. You're doing it to punish yourself. If you're not punishing yourself, you're gaining something (or net neutral, i suppose, but that's difficult to define). edit: Though arguably even punishing yourself is self interest, as if you're punishing yourself it's because you want to.
whimsicalism 3y ago
e: Oh - this is a16z, so yeah probably early access - scratch my additional comments I agree that I don't like early/insider stuff That said - I believe Llama 2 is architecturally identical to the previous one and given that they are using 13B it is probably just a drag and drop bin replacement and reload your servers. We all knew Llama 2 was coming so it might be within the capabilities of a hungry startup with no early access.
sfmike 3y ago
Any entity working on something in beta has early access anyone could hypothetically email out in grunt work and get involved in a project and get early access therefore this logic when tested against a third party example such as any engineer this argument isn't valid as any engineer entitled or not could have early access
- ipaddr 3y ago
  Anyone could worm their way into the project so it's not closed? It's a closed beta with invites to a select few. Some could cross that barrier but the truth is very few will be invited to the inner circle. This started as a private project and painted itself with an open source brush for advertising.
blululu 3y ago
Asking someone to beta test your product is more like asking them for a favor than the other way around. Finding a sympathetic person to try out your stuff and provide intelligent, relevant feedback in a timely fashion is not that easy.

dicishxg 3y ago

And yet here we are a few weeks after that with a free to use model that cost millions to develop and is open to everyone. I think you’re taking an unwarranted entitled view.

refulgentis 3y ago
I can't parse this: I assume it assumes I assume that a16z could have ensured it wasn't released It's not that, just what it says on the tin: SV elites are not good for SV
ipaddr 3y ago
You act like this is a gift of charity instead of attempts to stay relevant.
- ianbutler 3y ago
  What? Tell me you don't follow the space. FB AI is one of the top labs..
  - refulgentis 3y ago
    We're talking about a16z, not Facebook.
- unshavedyak 3y ago
  The best charity is one that benefits both parties, no?
  - TechBro8615 3y ago
    That's just a trade. If we assume "charity" is "altruism," then by definition there must be no benefit to the giver.
    - freedomben 3y ago
      I don't think that's even possible, but if it was it would be a disaster because humans don't work that way. We respond to incentive. When giving to charity, the incentive can be as simple as "I feel good" but it's still an incentive.
      - ipaddr 3y ago
        Some do what's right even if it doesn't feel good. The best charity can be painful.
        freedomben 3y ago
        Definitely, but the pain was decided to be worth it because the feeling the person got from doing the thing (or the pain they avoided by doing the thing) was worth it. For example a friend of mine has an adult kid who is homeless. They have tried to help many times but this person keeps falling back into the same things that led to the situation in the first place. The pain of watching your child go through something can be an incentive to help. My friend has helped his son even though my friend isn't well off and experiences financial pain. He's still responding to an incentive (that of not wanting to watch his child suffer) even though he's experiencing pain from it. If a person believes they are doing the right thing, their brain will release dopamine (aka a reward) simply for acting within their belief system. To be clear, I'm not trying to minimize or dismiss people's sacrifices. I still think they are noble
        unshavedyak 3y ago
        What? Pain has nothing to do with this. The positives outweigh the negatives by whatever criteria the giver uses to decide to do the act of giving. This is always true. No? Even self sacrifice, such as jumping in front of a bus, you deem to be the right thing - you chose an action because you believed it was a positive, for you, action. Just because you die doesn't mean you didn't still felt it was right, in that moment. If you do something you do not believe is a positive it changes from charity to masochism. You're doing it to punish yourself. If you're not punishing yourself, you're gaining something (or net neutral, i suppose, but that's difficult to define). edit: Though arguably even punishing yourself is self interest, as if you're punishing yourself it's because you want to.

whimsicalism 3y ago

e: Oh - this is a16z, so yeah probably early access - scratch my additional comments I agree that I don't like early/insider stuff That said - I believe Llama 2 is architecturally identical to the previous one and given that they are using 13B it is probably just a drag and drop bin replacement and reload your servers. We all knew Llama 2 was coming so it might be within the capabilities of a hungry startup with no early access.

sfmike 3y ago

Any entity working on something in beta has early access anyone could hypothetically email out in grunt work and get involved in a project and get early access therefore this logic when tested against a third party example such as any engineer this argument isn't valid as any engineer entitled or not could have early access

ipaddr 3y ago
Anyone could worm their way into the project so it's not closed? It's a closed beta with invites to a select few. Some could cross that barrier but the truth is very few will be invited to the inner circle. This started as a private project and painted itself with an open source brush for advertising.

blululu 3y ago

Asking someone to beta test your product is more like asking them for a favor than the other way around. Finding a sympathetic person to try out your stuff and provide intelligent, relevant feedback in a timely fashion is not that easy.