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Miyazaki's new movie "The boy and the heron" was released just last week in Japan. Not sure when it's coming to the west but it's the first movie by Miyazaki si

by dudus 3y ago

Miyazaki's new movie "The boy and the heron" was released just last week in Japan. Not sure when it's coming to the west but it's the first movie by Miyazaki since 2013. It's also quite unique in the sense that there was no trailer or marketing for this movie. Even in Japan.

UncleOxidant 3y ago
> it's the first movie by Miyazaki since 2013. I was going to say "what about The Wind also Rises?"... and then looked it up and it was released in 2013. Hard to believe it's been 10 years.
- the_af 3y ago
  Same here! I thought The Wind Rises was recent. Is this what old age feels like?
- Forgeties79 3y ago
  Ok so I'm not the only person who accidentally calls it The Wind *Also* Rises!
  - samcheng 3y ago
    Probably confusion with Hemingway's The Sun Also Rises
    - erulabs 3y ago
      They do share a theme slightly. Surrender to the state of the world, stoic acceptance and such.
  - samplatt 3y ago
    ....I've watched the movie like four times and I think this is the first time I've noticed there's not 'also' in the title.
  - sn41 3y ago
    It's "The Wind Rises" - from Paul Valery's famous closing stanza of "Le cimetiere marin" (The Cemetery by the Sea) "Le vent se lève !… Il faut tenter de vivre !" "The wind rises... we must try to live" To me it denotes a sad, stoic acceptance that things are about to go down badly, but we must somehow survive. (https://www.babelmatrix.org/works/fr/Val%C3%A9ry,_Paul-1871/Le_cimeti%C3%A8re_marin/en/62005-The_Graveyard_By_The_Sea https://www.babelmatrix.org/works/fr/Val%C3%A9ry,_Paul-1871/...)
glandium 3y ago
"The boy and the heron" is quite removed from the original title, 君たちはどう生きるか, which would be "How do you live?" (plural you)
- bozhark 3y ago
  How do yous live? or How do we live?
  - jondwillis 3y ago
    y’all
  - akprasad 3y ago
    "you" (plural) as in "you all," since "you" can also refer to just one person now that "thou" is no longer used [1]. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thou https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thou
    - JohnBooty 3y ago
      Do you have any (linguistic) insight into why they changed the name for release outside of Japan? One certainty is that it references a Japanese book also entitled "How Do You Live?" that would likely be unknown outside of Japan. However, I was wondering if it was also an issue of connotation. The question, "How do you live?" can have a rather negative connotation in US English. It carries an accusatory connotation, as if the asker has a negative view of the subject's life or conduct and wants to know how the subject can bear to live or act in such a way. But I suspect that in Japanese, it may be a more literal and connotation-free question?
      - ChainOfFools 3y ago
        I'm going to guess that for an English speaking market, there is a certain expectation for Miyazaki movies that has to do with whimsicality, children and some sort of anthropomorphized animal. and so that's the title format that they believe will sell better. Americans in particular are likely to be put off by something that sounds like it's questioning their life decisions.
lupus9 3y ago
>Not sure when it’s coming to the west Hacker news being an international community, I would say the relevant question is when it’s coming outside Japan. Let’s remember the average person lives neither in Japan / China nor in the west :-D
- nonethewiser 3y ago
  Average location doesn’t really make sense but the typical hacker news reader probably does live in the West or Japan.
  - echelon 3y ago
    Not entirely accurate as it counts only users with accounts that saw this post on a particular day and time and decided to participate: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30210378 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30210378 https://ae.studio/random/where-does-hacker-news-live https://ae.studio/random/where-does-hacker-news-live
  - lupus9 3y ago
    The use of average was just a joke. My point is that most people in the world live outside Japan and the West (however you want to use that term). Even if most people in hacker news belong to the West (not sure that is true) I do appreciate if the comments don’t take for granted that things are said from a western perspective.
  - totetsu 3y ago
    I think the average person lives in Almaty, Kazakhstan
  - JCharante 3y ago
    Hacker News feels very dead outside of US/EU timezones so I agree with this.
erwincoumans 3y ago
It was a pleasant surprise during our Japan trip and we went to watch 'How do you live' in the Toho Cinema Shinjuku on the second day. Very beautiful and touching movie, even with very limited Japanese skills.
dang 3y ago
Recent and related: Hayao Miyazaki’s How Do You Live is a beautiful relic – and the end of an era - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36760469 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36760469 - July 2023 (74 comments) Studio Ghibli to release Miyazaki’s final film with no trailers or promotion - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36314647 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36314647 - June 2023 (12 comments)
onetokeoverthe 3y ago
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by dudus 3y ago

UncleOxidant 3y ago

> it's the first movie by Miyazaki since 2013. I was going to say "what about The Wind also Rises?"... and then looked it up and it was released in 2013. Hard to believe it's been 10 years.

the_af 3y ago
Same here! I thought The Wind Rises was recent. Is this what old age feels like?
Forgeties79 3y ago
Ok so I'm not the only person who accidentally calls it The Wind *Also* Rises!
- samcheng 3y ago
  Probably confusion with Hemingway's The Sun Also Rises
  - erulabs 3y ago
    They do share a theme slightly. Surrender to the state of the world, stoic acceptance and such.
- samplatt 3y ago
  ....I've watched the movie like four times and I think this is the first time I've noticed there's not 'also' in the title.
- sn41 3y ago
  It's "The Wind Rises" - from Paul Valery's famous closing stanza of "Le cimetiere marin" (The Cemetery by the Sea) "Le vent se lève !… Il faut tenter de vivre !" "The wind rises... we must try to live" To me it denotes a sad, stoic acceptance that things are about to go down badly, but we must somehow survive. (https://www.babelmatrix.org/works/fr/Val%C3%A9ry,_Paul-1871/Le_cimeti%C3%A8re_marin/en/62005-The_Graveyard_By_The_Sea https://www.babelmatrix.org/works/fr/Val%C3%A9ry,_Paul-1871/...)

glandium 3y ago

"The boy and the heron" is quite removed from the original title, 君たちはどう生きるか, which would be "How do you live?" (plural you)

bozhark 3y ago
How do yous live? or How do we live?
- jondwillis 3y ago
  y’all
- akprasad 3y ago
  "you" (plural) as in "you all," since "you" can also refer to just one person now that "thou" is no longer used [1]. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thou https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thou
  - JohnBooty 3y ago
    Do you have any (linguistic) insight into why they changed the name for release outside of Japan? One certainty is that it references a Japanese book also entitled "How Do You Live?" that would likely be unknown outside of Japan. However, I was wondering if it was also an issue of connotation. The question, "How do you live?" can have a rather negative connotation in US English. It carries an accusatory connotation, as if the asker has a negative view of the subject's life or conduct and wants to know how the subject can bear to live or act in such a way. But I suspect that in Japanese, it may be a more literal and connotation-free question?
    - ChainOfFools 3y ago
      I'm going to guess that for an English speaking market, there is a certain expectation for Miyazaki movies that has to do with whimsicality, children and some sort of anthropomorphized animal. and so that's the title format that they believe will sell better. Americans in particular are likely to be put off by something that sounds like it's questioning their life decisions.

lupus9 3y ago

>Not sure when it’s coming to the west Hacker news being an international community, I would say the relevant question is when it’s coming outside Japan. Let’s remember the average person lives neither in Japan / China nor in the west :-D

nonethewiser 3y ago
Average location doesn’t really make sense but the typical hacker news reader probably does live in the West or Japan.
- echelon 3y ago
  Not entirely accurate as it counts only users with accounts that saw this post on a particular day and time and decided to participate: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30210378 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30210378 https://ae.studio/random/where-does-hacker-news-live https://ae.studio/random/where-does-hacker-news-live
- lupus9 3y ago
  The use of average was just a joke. My point is that most people in the world live outside Japan and the West (however you want to use that term). Even if most people in hacker news belong to the West (not sure that is true) I do appreciate if the comments don’t take for granted that things are said from a western perspective.
- totetsu 3y ago
  I think the average person lives in Almaty, Kazakhstan
- JCharante 3y ago
  Hacker News feels very dead outside of US/EU timezones so I agree with this.

erwincoumans 3y ago

It was a pleasant surprise during our Japan trip and we went to watch 'How do you live' in the Toho Cinema Shinjuku on the second day. Very beautiful and touching movie, even with very limited Japanese skills.

dang 3y ago

Recent and related: Hayao Miyazaki’s How Do You Live is a beautiful relic – and the end of an era - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36760469 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36760469 - July 2023 (74 comments) Studio Ghibli to release Miyazaki’s final film with no trailers or promotion - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36314647 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36314647 - June 2023 (12 comments)

onetokeoverthe 3y ago

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