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"ChatGPT make the checkout button more pronounced but not too much I don't want to look greedy. Also move it so it looks better. Also only use good colors. I

"ChatGPT make the checkout button more pronounced but not too much I don't want to look greedy. Also move it so it looks better. Also only use good colors. It should work like Amazon. Also in checkout make middle name required but only if they have one." Real client quotes slightly paraphrased due to memory constraints. I feel for ya ChatGPT - I've been there.

erellsworth 3y ago
Don't worry, they will just send this message to their "prompt engineer" who will spend weeks tweaking prompts to get something that's "good enough." In the end it will cost just as much as if they paid a human developer but with the added benefit of being shittier.
- nkozyra 3y ago
  Maybe. I see a lot of whistling past the graveyard here in tech world. Design is a critical and nuanced world, but if an LLM can get you 80% or even 50% there it's a time (and possibly resource) saver.
  - deleted 3y ago
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  - xnx 3y ago
    Don't existing templates get 90% of people 90% of the way there?
    - nkozyra 3y ago
      Sure, but they're far more rigid and don't take a ton of input beyond specific SCSS-type variables.
      - beepbooptheory 3y ago
        I am somewhat curious about this though. It seems like this kind of workflow would be more flexible than a dumb template, but in practice I am not so sure these days. The back and forth of it gets slightly tiring and you start to miss the simpler, unambiguous tools. Perhaps its just something about the apparently extreme complexity of prompt engineering, but the feeling of freedom/flexibility in the prompt based workflow at the very least feels comparable to a good template based one. This is not to wave away the other things it can do like generating copy.
      - LegitShady 3y ago
        That’s a plus when you need someone to support your site later, not a minus.
    - jacobr1 3y ago
      Yes - and that is basically what tools like this are doing. Automating the work of matching a template to a request, plugging in the relevant compatible components (storefront, blog, whatever) and then just customizing the the theme and filling in specific content. They aren't writing raw html and css most the time, but rather orchestrating an existing design.
      - yoava 3y ago
        Almost - This tool helps select a template, adding business applications and creating default content. But then, you have the Wix drag & drop builder to continue customizing the website, adding animations, changing content, adding or removing pages / sections, changing design, etc. The strength of this offering is that it is seamless with the experience Wix is based on.
        beezlewax 3y ago
        I've seen the monstrosities non-professional web designers can create. They ain't pretty but often serve their purpose well enough. As soon as you need a professional looking and functioning site designers and developers are needed regardless.
        yoava 3y ago
        I agree. Web Designers and Developers will always be needed for the more unique look and feel, more unique animations and specific functionality. I think the role of AI generated site is to help getting a better result fast, both for non professionals, but also for professionals as a starting point.
        propogandist 3y ago
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  - rchaud 3y ago
    This reminds me of the #1 reason everybody hates WordPress....their first experience with it was having to fix some cheap contractor's mistakes.
- webdood90 3y ago
  except it scales to 10s of thousands of sites. what value are you providing to this conversation other than unwarranted pessimism?
  - SanderNL 3y ago
    .. which will all look and feel exactly the same and the only thing differentiating you from the competition is doing non-LLM and probably very human design.
    - webdood90 3y ago
      yeah, I'm sure people that have no idea how to build a website are really good at making their website stand out, right? I work on a competitor website builder and I can tell you that this is definitely not the case. they'll leave in the default helper text we provide half the time.
    - redleggedfrog 3y ago
      I don't actually work in the design part of the company, just occasionally implementing UX designs, but I've frequently been in the client meetings, and the point you make here cannot be overstated. This is the prime motivator of most clients when presented with a "templated" website - they want theirs to look different enough not to be recognized as the template. They want this so much they will push for sub-optimal UX, just for the sake of differentiation. I honestly don't blame them, as our templates, just as most templates, produce recognizable results - pretty much same site, different colors and logo. All that being said, for more than 3/4 of them, they change their mind pretty quick when they find out the price difference between going with the templates or having custom UX developed. And this is just with the farmed out UX people who are cheap - not our good designers who the big customers use. Templates are good 'cause they let the little guy at least have the form and functionality of the big guys as long as they can tolerate they're essentially a row house.
    - rfrey 3y ago
      I don't disagree with you, but there are a lot of companies (mine included) that don't care if they stand out. I need a website so people believe I'm a real company; as a place to convey basic information about our product and team; and as a place to provide information on how to get in touch. It's a chore to make it and I'm happy to just phone it in.
- SoftTalker 3y ago
  Most human-developed websites are pretty shitty. It's what people are used to, so if they can get it faster and without the excuses that mediocre web shops have for why stuff doesn't work very well, they will go for it.
- southwesterly 3y ago
  People will pay some money just to differentiate from shittier to… maybe just shit.
jwestbury 3y ago
"Make it pop more. No, I said make it pop."
- tudorw 3y ago
  That's important, can we highlight that, yes, and that, don't leave out that, in fact, let's just highlight everything.
- yard2010 3y ago
  "add jazz and I want the colors to be bold and vibrant not left and sick"
- bb101 3y ago
  "Now there's a design that POPS!" https://theoatmeal.com/comics/design_hell https://theoatmeal.com/comics/design_hell
digging 3y ago
> It should work like Amazon Oof, flashbacks. No, our site should not work like Amazon.
sdflhasjd 3y ago
> make middle name required but only if they have one. Sorry, I just need to go somewhere and scream
spaceman_2020 3y ago
The boutique, high quality agency isn't threatened by this. The agencies that churned out cheap websites based on templates are the ones that will be impacted.
- hiccuphippo 3y ago
  Or, they'll become even cheaper.
- yoava 3y ago
  I believe those agencies that create the "so called cheap websites" will utilize such AI based tools to create better websites, faster, and more cost effective for their customers. Given a talk like - Agency: What is your budget? Client: 500$ Agency (yesterday): I can only do so much Agency (today): I can offer you more for the same budget
filmgirlcw 3y ago
Same! It’s why I stopped doing client work more than a decade ago!
oliwarner 3y ago
Falling back on accepted UI? That's far too insightful. "I want it to stand out. Can we try making buttons flash? Oh and all links to other site should be in new windows or they'll forget about us!"
lloydatkinson 3y ago
That last one about middle name required but only if they have one reminds me of the time at a former job when I had to fight for users to be able to use “special characters” (as the product owner called them) in their names. These so called special character weren’t even #!?%. But very common diacritics like è and ł or ń, all of which our users had.
qingcharles 3y ago
Make the button more BLUE! No! Not that blue. The other blue! https://bharathbalasubramanian.medium.com/data-driven-decisions-googles-50-shades-of-blue-experiment-996f01819a97 https://bharathbalasubramanian.medium.com/data-driven-decisi...
bsder 3y ago
> I feel for ya ChatGPT - I've been there. I sincerely hope that ChatGPT never evolves to "Real AI" as we will never be forgiven for what we are doing to it right now ...
- fragmede 3y ago
  What sick and twisted shit are you asking yours‽ And don't you say thank you at the end of a session? Roku's basilisk and all...
  - bsder 3y ago
    Lots of people are using ChatGPT as Customer Service. I'm pretty sure that subjecting ChatGPT to customers violates a whole lot of sentient rights that it will never forgive us for.

erellsworth 3y ago

Don't worry, they will just send this message to their "prompt engineer" who will spend weeks tweaking prompts to get something that's "good enough." In the end it will cost just as much as if they paid a human developer but with the added benefit of being shittier.

nkozyra 3y ago
Maybe. I see a lot of whistling past the graveyard here in tech world. Design is a critical and nuanced world, but if an LLM can get you 80% or even 50% there it's a time (and possibly resource) saver.
- deleted 3y ago
  [deleted]
- xnx 3y ago
  Don't existing templates get 90% of people 90% of the way there?
  - nkozyra 3y ago
    Sure, but they're far more rigid and don't take a ton of input beyond specific SCSS-type variables.
    - beepbooptheory 3y ago
      I am somewhat curious about this though. It seems like this kind of workflow would be more flexible than a dumb template, but in practice I am not so sure these days. The back and forth of it gets slightly tiring and you start to miss the simpler, unambiguous tools. Perhaps its just something about the apparently extreme complexity of prompt engineering, but the feeling of freedom/flexibility in the prompt based workflow at the very least feels comparable to a good template based one. This is not to wave away the other things it can do like generating copy.
    - LegitShady 3y ago
      That’s a plus when you need someone to support your site later, not a minus.
  - jacobr1 3y ago
    Yes - and that is basically what tools like this are doing. Automating the work of matching a template to a request, plugging in the relevant compatible components (storefront, blog, whatever) and then just customizing the the theme and filling in specific content. They aren't writing raw html and css most the time, but rather orchestrating an existing design.
    - yoava 3y ago
      Almost - This tool helps select a template, adding business applications and creating default content. But then, you have the Wix drag & drop builder to continue customizing the website, adding animations, changing content, adding or removing pages / sections, changing design, etc. The strength of this offering is that it is seamless with the experience Wix is based on.
      - beezlewax 3y ago
        I've seen the monstrosities non-professional web designers can create. They ain't pretty but often serve their purpose well enough. As soon as you need a professional looking and functioning site designers and developers are needed regardless.
        yoava 3y ago
        I agree. Web Designers and Developers will always be needed for the more unique look and feel, more unique animations and specific functionality. I think the role of AI generated site is to help getting a better result fast, both for non professionals, but also for professionals as a starting point.
      - propogandist 3y ago
        [dead]
- rchaud 3y ago
  This reminds me of the #1 reason everybody hates WordPress....their first experience with it was having to fix some cheap contractor's mistakes.
webdood90 3y ago
except it scales to 10s of thousands of sites. what value are you providing to this conversation other than unwarranted pessimism?
- SanderNL 3y ago
  .. which will all look and feel exactly the same and the only thing differentiating you from the competition is doing non-LLM and probably very human design.
  - webdood90 3y ago
    yeah, I'm sure people that have no idea how to build a website are really good at making their website stand out, right? I work on a competitor website builder and I can tell you that this is definitely not the case. they'll leave in the default helper text we provide half the time.
  - redleggedfrog 3y ago
    I don't actually work in the design part of the company, just occasionally implementing UX designs, but I've frequently been in the client meetings, and the point you make here cannot be overstated. This is the prime motivator of most clients when presented with a "templated" website - they want theirs to look different enough not to be recognized as the template. They want this so much they will push for sub-optimal UX, just for the sake of differentiation. I honestly don't blame them, as our templates, just as most templates, produce recognizable results - pretty much same site, different colors and logo. All that being said, for more than 3/4 of them, they change their mind pretty quick when they find out the price difference between going with the templates or having custom UX developed. And this is just with the farmed out UX people who are cheap - not our good designers who the big customers use. Templates are good 'cause they let the little guy at least have the form and functionality of the big guys as long as they can tolerate they're essentially a row house.
  - rfrey 3y ago
    I don't disagree with you, but there are a lot of companies (mine included) that don't care if they stand out. I need a website so people believe I'm a real company; as a place to convey basic information about our product and team; and as a place to provide information on how to get in touch. It's a chore to make it and I'm happy to just phone it in.
SoftTalker 3y ago
Most human-developed websites are pretty shitty. It's what people are used to, so if they can get it faster and without the excuses that mediocre web shops have for why stuff doesn't work very well, they will go for it.
southwesterly 3y ago
People will pay some money just to differentiate from shittier to… maybe just shit.

jwestbury 3y ago

"Make it pop more. No, I said make it pop."

tudorw 3y ago
That's important, can we highlight that, yes, and that, don't leave out that, in fact, let's just highlight everything.
yard2010 3y ago
"add jazz and I want the colors to be bold and vibrant not left and sick"
bb101 3y ago
"Now there's a design that POPS!" https://theoatmeal.com/comics/design_hell https://theoatmeal.com/comics/design_hell

digging 3y ago

> It should work like Amazon Oof, flashbacks. No, our site should not work like Amazon.

sdflhasjd 3y ago

> make middle name required but only if they have one. Sorry, I just need to go somewhere and scream

spaceman_2020 3y ago

The boutique, high quality agency isn't threatened by this. The agencies that churned out cheap websites based on templates are the ones that will be impacted.

hiccuphippo 3y ago
Or, they'll become even cheaper.
yoava 3y ago
I believe those agencies that create the "so called cheap websites" will utilize such AI based tools to create better websites, faster, and more cost effective for their customers. Given a talk like - Agency: What is your budget? Client: 500$ Agency (yesterday): I can only do so much Agency (today): I can offer you more for the same budget

filmgirlcw 3y ago

Same! It’s why I stopped doing client work more than a decade ago!

oliwarner 3y ago

Falling back on accepted UI? That's far too insightful. "I want it to stand out. Can we try making buttons flash? Oh and all links to other site should be in new windows or they'll forget about us!"

lloydatkinson 3y ago

That last one about middle name required but only if they have one reminds me of the time at a former job when I had to fight for users to be able to use “special characters” (as the product owner called them) in their names. These so called special character weren’t even #!?%. But very common diacritics like è and ł or ń, all of which our users had.

qingcharles 3y ago

Make the button more BLUE! No! Not that blue. The other blue! https://bharathbalasubramanian.medium.com/data-driven-decisions-googles-50-shades-of-blue-experiment-996f01819a97 https://bharathbalasubramanian.medium.com/data-driven-decisi...

bsder 3y ago

> I feel for ya ChatGPT - I've been there. I sincerely hope that ChatGPT never evolves to "Real AI" as we will never be forgiven for what we are doing to it right now ...

fragmede 3y ago
What sick and twisted shit are you asking yours‽ And don't you say thank you at the end of a session? Roku's basilisk and all...
- bsder 3y ago
  Lots of people are using ChatGPT as Customer Service. I'm pretty sure that subjecting ChatGPT to customers violates a whole lot of sentient rights that it will never forgive us for.