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What are the alternatives now? Streaming services have crippled themselves (collectively) by hoarding content; you now need to sign up for several if you want

What are the alternatives now? Streaming services have crippled themselves (collectively) by hoarding content; you now need to sign up for several if you want access to everything. And pay-per-movie (eg itunes) is just ridiculously expensive, $10/movie, that's a whole day's salary in poorer countries. The industry needs to stop bleating about ordinary people 'stealing' from them, and come up with better business models/practices that match what people are willing to pay.

Moldoteck 3y ago
-And pay-per-movie (eg itunes) is just ridiculously expensive, $10/movie, that's a whole day's salary in poorer countries. I don't think this is relevant for Denmark, bc their salaries are much bigger. But it's imo expensive anyways
- madsbuch 3y ago
  I think the problem in Denmark is re-buying things: You bought Harry Potter on VHS, now again on DVD, again on BlueRay, again through Blockbuster, and again through YouTube. In the end that is one expensive movie! In the end it is less unfair to just download the movie you already paid for.
  - Aachen 3y ago
    It's unfair to need another license. Distribution costs are a thing also via the Internet, so while they're close to zero per movie it still makes sense to have to pay. However, there is no mechanism to prove you have a license, so in that sense I see your point
    - madsbuch 3y ago
      you can argue that the distribution costs are negligible. after all the entire post is about piracy where no one is being paid for distributing the files.
    - ilyt 3y ago
      The distribution costs are entirely irrelevant to the problem, unless you're abusing the service. Cost for single download of a movie now is going to be in fraction of a penny level of cost probably.
      - Aachen 3y ago
        Let's talk again when eight billion people are doing license validation and movie downloads from your server!
        madsbuch 3y ago
        What about making a distributed system for distribution so the costs of the license validation doesn't fall on a single entity. Then again, we might already have that. I vaguely remember talk about the fact that it is legal in Denmark to fetch a copy of movies and software you already bought.
  - jacknews 3y ago
    A very good point. In a sense, the industry has been stealing from customers all along by selling the same 'rights' over and over, just in different formats.
- Scandiravian 3y ago
  I think there still is a price scaling based on regional purchasing power. No doubt that people in Denmark have much more dispensable income on average, but for students and low-income households renting a movie online is a luxury That's if you can find a place where you can actually get it. As an example, a few years ago a study showed that Denmark had the second most expensive Netflix subscriptions, yet was second to last in the content available Then there's a whole issue of localisation. Many of my foreign friends have had to ask for refunds when renting movies, because only Nordic subtitles were available for them Piracy is simply easier and more reliable for a lot of people. Especially if you understand a little bit of tech and can setup Sonarr, Radarr, and Jellyfin
Aeolun 3y ago
I think we used to rent VHS videos for 7.50 dutch guilders in 1999 (3.40 EUR, 5.37 EUR in 2022), which translates to $6... so $10/movie seems quite expensive indeed. I was going to say I thought it sounds cheap, but when doing the calculations it turns out it has actually increased in price quite a lot.

Moldoteck 3y ago

-And pay-per-movie (eg itunes) is just ridiculously expensive, $10/movie, that's a whole day's salary in poorer countries. I don't think this is relevant for Denmark, bc their salaries are much bigger. But it's imo expensive anyways

madsbuch 3y ago
I think the problem in Denmark is re-buying things: You bought Harry Potter on VHS, now again on DVD, again on BlueRay, again through Blockbuster, and again through YouTube. In the end that is one expensive movie! In the end it is less unfair to just download the movie you already paid for.
- Aachen 3y ago
  It's unfair to need another license. Distribution costs are a thing also via the Internet, so while they're close to zero per movie it still makes sense to have to pay. However, there is no mechanism to prove you have a license, so in that sense I see your point
  - madsbuch 3y ago
    you can argue that the distribution costs are negligible. after all the entire post is about piracy where no one is being paid for distributing the files.
  - ilyt 3y ago
    The distribution costs are entirely irrelevant to the problem, unless you're abusing the service. Cost for single download of a movie now is going to be in fraction of a penny level of cost probably.
    - Aachen 3y ago
      Let's talk again when eight billion people are doing license validation and movie downloads from your server!
      - madsbuch 3y ago
        What about making a distributed system for distribution so the costs of the license validation doesn't fall on a single entity. Then again, we might already have that. I vaguely remember talk about the fact that it is legal in Denmark to fetch a copy of movies and software you already bought.
- jacknews 3y ago
  A very good point. In a sense, the industry has been stealing from customers all along by selling the same 'rights' over and over, just in different formats.
Scandiravian 3y ago
I think there still is a price scaling based on regional purchasing power. No doubt that people in Denmark have much more dispensable income on average, but for students and low-income households renting a movie online is a luxury That's if you can find a place where you can actually get it. As an example, a few years ago a study showed that Denmark had the second most expensive Netflix subscriptions, yet was second to last in the content available Then there's a whole issue of localisation. Many of my foreign friends have had to ask for refunds when renting movies, because only Nordic subtitles were available for them Piracy is simply easier and more reliable for a lot of people. Especially if you understand a little bit of tech and can setup Sonarr, Radarr, and Jellyfin

Aeolun 3y ago

I think we used to rent VHS videos for 7.50 dutch guilders in 1999 (3.40 EUR, 5.37 EUR in 2022), which translates to $6... so $10/movie seems quite expensive indeed. I was going to say I thought it sounds cheap, but when doing the calculations it turns out it has actually increased in price quite a lot.