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I disagree. Being able to put a pilot inside a weapon and then have them fly, react, deploy and return is a lot better than building stacks of drones and then

I disagree. Being able to put a pilot inside a weapon and then have them fly, react, deploy and return is a lot better than building stacks of drones and then just hitting a wall of RF jamming, which will soon be everywhere on the battlefield, even more so than was in Iraq for counter IED work.

pengaru 3y ago
A lot of good RF jamming is going to do to that swarm of autonomous kamikaze drones homing right in on the RF sources...
- lnsru 3y ago
  Ukraine deployed some nice German canon designed against drone swarms. USA has laser version of it. It will be interesting fights of the future for sure.
  - FirmwareBurner 3y ago
    >Ukraine deployed some nice German canon designed against drone swarms Bruh, the German Ghepard wasn't some fancy drone cannon but an obsolete anti aircraft cannon designed in the 50's which they scrapped because present day jets fly much faster and higher than those from the '50's but it's perfect for Iranian drones.
    - lnsru 3y ago
      The thing is called Skynex I think. With fancy demo videos on YouTube. It’s new development.
paganel 3y ago
It's "soon" (which is always 5 to 7 years out) vs cheap $35k drones taking out German Leopard II tanks [1] in an active war right now. The drones are already here and are winning. [1] https://twitter.com/colonelcassad/status/1677615793956171776 https://twitter.com/colonelcassad/status/1677615793956171776
- pokepim 3y ago
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KingOfCoders 3y ago
"a wall of RF jamming" When using AI controlled I think the poster meant local AI controlled, no RF. We probably will also see laser communication from satellite to drones, which will be much more difficult to jam.
- crote 3y ago
  Having AI kill humans on their own without any supervision is an extremely controversial move. It will result in friendly fire sooner or later, and the resulting controversy is pretty much guaranteed to terminate the program. Laser comms are neat, but they suffer from things like clouds or smokescreens. And once you figure out the wavelength, a hostile laser comms sat can trivially jam it.
  - strken 3y ago
    Whether the resulting controversy kills the program probably depends on whether there's a conflict between great powers in a total war, or involving pariah states who don't care about making a few new martyrs.
  - pydry 3y ago
    So like cluster munitions then.
  - KingOfCoders 3y ago
    "resulting controversy is pretty much guaranteed to terminate the program." I'm not aware of any controversy that stopped weapon progress. We have biological weapon research, atomic weapons and the US used chemical agents in Vietnam. The US stopped tactical nuclear weapons because it thought they were not useful, not because of the protests in Europe. SDI was cancelled because laser weapons were not feasable in the 80s, not because of the controversy. There are more mines used in Ukraine than ever before - despite "bans". There is cluster ammunition delivered despite a huge controversy. "clouds or smokescreens." Sure smokescreens can only jam low flying drones? If you smoke a target the drone waits for you running out of smoke rounds.
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darkclouds 3y ago
Nobody gives a toss about the use of hand grenades or mines, and yet the recent chip shortage due to covid has highlighted some irrefutable facts. One drone with a cpu, toroidal props for increased range, speed and silence, and a range of onboard sensors are far better at attacking target objects than SAS soldiers dug into a ditch for several days trying to remain down wind of a dog. In other words, lithium ion batteries mean drones can be dug in for longer observing or waiting to assassinate than biological robots aka the military. That changes the window of opportunity despite all the current surveillance methods in place today, like our computers, mobile phones, bank accounts, payment cards and loyalty cards, whilst also pleasing some of the animal rights group, who havent bought the so called free press lies through omission.

pengaru 3y ago

A lot of good RF jamming is going to do to that swarm of autonomous kamikaze drones homing right in on the RF sources...

lnsru 3y ago
Ukraine deployed some nice German canon designed against drone swarms. USA has laser version of it. It will be interesting fights of the future for sure.
- FirmwareBurner 3y ago
  >Ukraine deployed some nice German canon designed against drone swarms Bruh, the German Ghepard wasn't some fancy drone cannon but an obsolete anti aircraft cannon designed in the 50's which they scrapped because present day jets fly much faster and higher than those from the '50's but it's perfect for Iranian drones.
  - lnsru 3y ago
    The thing is called Skynex I think. With fancy demo videos on YouTube. It’s new development.

paganel 3y ago

It's "soon" (which is always 5 to 7 years out) vs cheap $35k drones taking out German Leopard II tanks [1] in an active war right now. The drones are already here and are winning. [1] https://twitter.com/colonelcassad/status/1677615793956171776 https://twitter.com/colonelcassad/status/1677615793956171776

pokepim 3y ago
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KingOfCoders 3y ago

"a wall of RF jamming" When using AI controlled I think the poster meant local AI controlled, no RF. We probably will also see laser communication from satellite to drones, which will be much more difficult to jam.

crote 3y ago
Having AI kill humans on their own without any supervision is an extremely controversial move. It will result in friendly fire sooner or later, and the resulting controversy is pretty much guaranteed to terminate the program. Laser comms are neat, but they suffer from things like clouds or smokescreens. And once you figure out the wavelength, a hostile laser comms sat can trivially jam it.
- strken 3y ago
  Whether the resulting controversy kills the program probably depends on whether there's a conflict between great powers in a total war, or involving pariah states who don't care about making a few new martyrs.
- pydry 3y ago
  So like cluster munitions then.
- KingOfCoders 3y ago
  "resulting controversy is pretty much guaranteed to terminate the program." I'm not aware of any controversy that stopped weapon progress. We have biological weapon research, atomic weapons and the US used chemical agents in Vietnam. The US stopped tactical nuclear weapons because it thought they were not useful, not because of the protests in Europe. SDI was cancelled because laser weapons were not feasable in the 80s, not because of the controversy. There are more mines used in Ukraine than ever before - despite "bans". There is cluster ammunition delivered despite a huge controversy. "clouds or smokescreens." Sure smokescreens can only jam low flying drones? If you smoke a target the drone waits for you running out of smoke rounds.
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darkclouds 3y ago

Nobody gives a toss about the use of hand grenades or mines, and yet the recent chip shortage due to covid has highlighted some irrefutable facts. One drone with a cpu, toroidal props for increased range, speed and silence, and a range of onboard sensors are far better at attacking target objects than SAS soldiers dug into a ditch for several days trying to remain down wind of a dog. In other words, lithium ion batteries mean drones can be dug in for longer observing or waiting to assassinate than biological robots aka the military. That changes the window of opportunity despite all the current surveillance methods in place today, like our computers, mobile phones, bank accounts, payment cards and loyalty cards, whilst also pleasing some of the animal rights group, who havent bought the so called free press lies through omission.