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Would you like to work for the Garbage Collection Company of America? Would you like to work for the American Garbage Collection Company? Would you like to st

Would you like to work for the Garbage Collection Company of America? Would you like to work for the American Garbage Collection Company? Would you like to starve? Aha, you've volunteered to work as a garbage collector. I think this isn't what people think of as voluntary. Sophie's Choice is a better description.

ars 3y ago
You clearly didn't read what I wrote, because your options do not match the situation I wrote. I mean you wrote two basically the same companies, while I clearly said "independent", and you wrote "Would you like to starve", i.e. these companies are telling him work for us or don't work at all, while I clearly wrote that the person giving the choice must NOT create the choice. And in Sophie's Choice the camp Dr setup both options. I have to ask: If you are going to ignore what people say to you, why do you even bother replying? If you just want to tell people your opinion post it as a top level comment, not a low effort reply.
- lordnacho 3y ago
  > Rephrasing: As long as there are two independent people making offers, your choice between the two offers is voluntary. (Do not forget the 3rd option: accept neither offer.) I then make a very obvious example where there are two independent companies offering similar crappy jobs. Plus your 3rd option. There's no one person giving the choice, there are two companies and your third option. Perfectly conforming to what you say: > clearly wrote that the person giving the choice must NOT create the choice Ok? So there is a situation, a very obvious one, that arises from the conditions that you're claiming making something voluntary. You have two different companies offering substantially the same thing. Now it is voluntary when the outcome is no different from if there were just one company offering the (only) choice. That is clearly something you will have to explain. I know you can't see how many upvotes a comment has, but I can tell you it doesn't seem like I am the only person who has spotted this. > And in Sophie's Choice the camp Dr setup both options. But it is also a term that means "an undesirable decision that has to be made". Before you accuse other people of not reading, I think it's worthwhile to have a scan for irony.

ars 3y ago

You clearly didn't read what I wrote, because your options do not match the situation I wrote. I mean you wrote two basically the same companies, while I clearly said "independent", and you wrote "Would you like to starve", i.e. these companies are telling him work for us or don't work at all, while I clearly wrote that the person giving the choice must NOT create the choice. And in Sophie's Choice the camp Dr setup both options. I have to ask: If you are going to ignore what people say to you, why do you even bother replying? If you just want to tell people your opinion post it as a top level comment, not a low effort reply.

lordnacho 3y ago
> Rephrasing: As long as there are two independent people making offers, your choice between the two offers is voluntary. (Do not forget the 3rd option: accept neither offer.) I then make a very obvious example where there are two independent companies offering similar crappy jobs. Plus your 3rd option. There's no one person giving the choice, there are two companies and your third option. Perfectly conforming to what you say: > clearly wrote that the person giving the choice must NOT create the choice Ok? So there is a situation, a very obvious one, that arises from the conditions that you're claiming making something voluntary. You have two different companies offering substantially the same thing. Now it is voluntary when the outcome is no different from if there were just one company offering the (only) choice. That is clearly something you will have to explain. I know you can't see how many upvotes a comment has, but I can tell you it doesn't seem like I am the only person who has spotted this. > And in Sophie's Choice the camp Dr setup both options. But it is also a term that means "an undesirable decision that has to be made". Before you accuse other people of not reading, I think it's worthwhile to have a scan for irony.