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I'm generally very positive about science and engineering, but I'm completely sick and tired of its use in dehumanising technologies. We need to be a lot more s

by b800h 3y ago

I'm generally very positive about science and engineering, but I'm completely sick and tired of its use in dehumanising technologies. We need to be a lot more savvy about what we consider acceptable, and politics will have to change to facilitate that.

Mizoguchi 3y ago
Having been through multiple rounds of IVF and knowing many couples and their stories during such long, expensive, physically and emotionally exhausting process, I believe this technology would be extremely positive for humanity.
inglor_cz 3y ago
From a point of view of someone who knows more than a few desperate couples, inhuman and unacceptable would be to deny them efficient treatment based on vague moralistic instincts. Would you be happy if some person denied you insulin or glasses based on the fact that they feel sick and tired about such ungodly inventions that pervert the course of nature?
- imchillyb 3y ago
  Both diabetes and myopathy are direct results of our society. They represent cases where our technology and our living standards have caused diseases in abundance. Adding yet another easily avoidable disease to the pile seems reckless.
  - DonsDiscountGas 3y ago
    Diabetes is as old as humanity, up until a century ago it was death sentence. Our living standards have caused people to live where earlier they would have died. Here we are allowing people to reproduce where otherwise they would not be able to. All of this is a good thing.
  - inglor_cz 3y ago
    Do you mean "myopia"? Yeah, it is a civilizational disease, but from a sufferer: it is very much bearable and tolerable. I surely wouldn't like to play some sort of eugenic match against people who would rather either stop civilization in its track or prevent myopic people like me from existence for their own good, or ban them from doing anything that could possibly cause myopia in them. People suffered all sorts of aftereffects from civilizational progress, but I am optimistic in the sense that we can eventually conquer them and next generations may enjoy all the benefits without suffering harms.

by b800h 3y ago

Mizoguchi 3y ago

Having been through multiple rounds of IVF and knowing many couples and their stories during such long, expensive, physically and emotionally exhausting process, I believe this technology would be extremely positive for humanity.

inglor_cz 3y ago

From a point of view of someone who knows more than a few desperate couples, inhuman and unacceptable would be to deny them efficient treatment based on vague moralistic instincts. Would you be happy if some person denied you insulin or glasses based on the fact that they feel sick and tired about such ungodly inventions that pervert the course of nature?

imchillyb 3y ago
Both diabetes and myopathy are direct results of our society. They represent cases where our technology and our living standards have caused diseases in abundance. Adding yet another easily avoidable disease to the pile seems reckless.
- DonsDiscountGas 3y ago
  Diabetes is as old as humanity, up until a century ago it was death sentence. Our living standards have caused people to live where earlier they would have died. Here we are allowing people to reproduce where otherwise they would not be able to. All of this is a good thing.
- inglor_cz 3y ago
  Do you mean "myopia"? Yeah, it is a civilizational disease, but from a sufferer: it is very much bearable and tolerable. I surely wouldn't like to play some sort of eugenic match against people who would rather either stop civilization in its track or prevent myopic people like me from existence for their own good, or ban them from doing anything that could possibly cause myopia in them. People suffered all sorts of aftereffects from civilizational progress, but I am optimistic in the sense that we can eventually conquer them and next generations may enjoy all the benefits without suffering harms.