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Personally, the childish "saying motherfucker is shocking/bold" style is a bit of a cop out to make a proper argument. I don't even say it with the typical pur

Personally, the childish "saying motherfucker is shocking/bold" style is a bit of a cop out to make a proper argument. I don't even say it with the typical puritan TV USA mindset but just the, give me the facts, not the show. Yelling won't make you right, just 14. Specially when it's clearly not a visceral reaction but a thought out post. It's like comedy that thinks saying fuck or shit is funny when that's basically the lowest bar of humor. Say it, but style matters, the word in itself is not funny (unless you're a kid and afraid of someone telling you off, again: boldness).

stavros 3y ago
I agree, I like a well-placed swearword, but when used as a crutch for humor, it falls a bit flat.
- alemanek 3y ago
  If you read it in Samuel L Jackson’s voice it makes it a lot better.
sigg3 3y ago
While I appreciate the sentiment, I feel you're missing the point. This is akin to maddox's writing. It aims to strike a nice balance between satire and self-immolation, but might stumble in its attempts. You're supposed to feel conflicted between the obnoxious tone and the rational message. The writing makes fun of know-it-alls while also making a well reasoned argument.
- Typhon 3y ago
  It reminds me of the extreme advertising meme.
- arcanemachiner 3y ago
  I don't think you can just say "Maddox" in 2023 and assume people will know what you're talking about. maddox.xmission.com
- logarhythmic 3y ago
  I find it fairly cringe, personally.
- isaacremuant 3y ago
  Just read a Maddox (didn't know who they were) post and, boy, is it full of edginess and self confidence to mask that they don't have a good point. Of course it's easy to rant and monologue. Dozens of TV presenters do it but sometimes it's very easy to find fault in their subjectively humorous generalizations. http://maddox.xmission.com/c.cgi?u=bob_dylan_is_a_podcaster http://maddox.xmission.com/c.cgi?u=bob_dylan_is_a_podcaster https://youtu.be/MMFj8uDubsE https://youtu.be/MMFj8uDubsE Blowing in the wind, the first song that comes to mind, doesn't fit this at all. A quick Spotify search through the most popular songs and I can't find any in 10-15 that fits that example soundbite he used, to extrapolate this "emperor's got no clothes" argument on bob Dylan. I'm not particularly a fan of Dylan except a song here and there I like (looking at the list), but it just shows the style over substance and strength of argument. To this, someone will call "don't be such a buzzkill, it's just a joke" and that's fine but then you've left the land of making valid points and into the self congratulatory "ironic" content. I didn't miss the point, it seems, but you did miss mine.
mrits 3y ago
Yelling or cussing doesn't make you 14. I like cussing and think that there should be more of it in technical literature.
- pdntspa 3y ago
  Agreed. The idea that words can bring curses or displease some fictional deity is a dated trope with no place in modern society. Which means the only reason left is that it displeases certain people to hear them... but fuck those folks for trying to impinge on freedom of speech
  - isaacremuant 3y ago
    This is not about freedom of speech. I explicitly stated it was not a puritan thing. Fuck your strawman, if you want. See? That did very little in terms of argumentation. Now it was about using insults instead of proper arguments and pretending the mere use was funny. Which isn't. Also, it's funny how you "insult" in generic third person because if you insult me directly you might get banned. Hey, feel free to insult me directly. I won't care. You just won't necessarily have a good argument because of it and you might also get your comment deleted, but let's see if you're as "brave" to argue with the would be censors then.
- isaacremuant 3y ago
  You may also like writing in 1337speak. That's not an actual argument for it being an effective mechanism to convey an argument, which the website presumably tries to. Finding an insult funny just because it's an insult is definitely childish, as I've said before and you haven't tried to address, it relates to rebelry against some authority, which just isn't there in this case. I won't be offended by the insult, but using in the way the website in question does is just superfluous content and can effectively serve as an mechanism to hide less than solid points.
  - mrits 3y ago
    Your response is definitely childish. Not in the immature sense but an underdeveloped sense of historical social transformation.
scarface_74 3y ago
> Say it, but style matters, Would you call this style? https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dFrgIrWmTeY https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dFrgIrWmTeY https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cV9MmqX089A https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cV9MmqX089A
lelanthran 3y ago
> I don't even say it with the typical puritan TV USA mindset but just the, give me the facts, not the show. Yelling won't make you right, just 14. Specially when it's clearly not a visceral reaction but a thought out post. Yeah, but if they had done it your way neither you nor anyone else would know about it. Looks to me like they put a lot of thought into the marketing of that thought out post

stavros 3y ago

I agree, I like a well-placed swearword, but when used as a crutch for humor, it falls a bit flat.

alemanek 3y ago
If you read it in Samuel L Jackson’s voice it makes it a lot better.

sigg3 3y ago

While I appreciate the sentiment, I feel you're missing the point. This is akin to maddox's writing. It aims to strike a nice balance between satire and self-immolation, but might stumble in its attempts. You're supposed to feel conflicted between the obnoxious tone and the rational message. The writing makes fun of know-it-alls while also making a well reasoned argument.

Typhon 3y ago
It reminds me of the extreme advertising meme.
arcanemachiner 3y ago
I don't think you can just say "Maddox" in 2023 and assume people will know what you're talking about. maddox.xmission.com
logarhythmic 3y ago
I find it fairly cringe, personally.
isaacremuant 3y ago
Just read a Maddox (didn't know who they were) post and, boy, is it full of edginess and self confidence to mask that they don't have a good point. Of course it's easy to rant and monologue. Dozens of TV presenters do it but sometimes it's very easy to find fault in their subjectively humorous generalizations. http://maddox.xmission.com/c.cgi?u=bob_dylan_is_a_podcaster http://maddox.xmission.com/c.cgi?u=bob_dylan_is_a_podcaster https://youtu.be/MMFj8uDubsE https://youtu.be/MMFj8uDubsE Blowing in the wind, the first song that comes to mind, doesn't fit this at all. A quick Spotify search through the most popular songs and I can't find any in 10-15 that fits that example soundbite he used, to extrapolate this "emperor's got no clothes" argument on bob Dylan. I'm not particularly a fan of Dylan except a song here and there I like (looking at the list), but it just shows the style over substance and strength of argument. To this, someone will call "don't be such a buzzkill, it's just a joke" and that's fine but then you've left the land of making valid points and into the self congratulatory "ironic" content. I didn't miss the point, it seems, but you did miss mine.

mrits 3y ago

Yelling or cussing doesn't make you 14. I like cussing and think that there should be more of it in technical literature.

pdntspa 3y ago
Agreed. The idea that words can bring curses or displease some fictional deity is a dated trope with no place in modern society. Which means the only reason left is that it displeases certain people to hear them... but fuck those folks for trying to impinge on freedom of speech
- isaacremuant 3y ago
  This is not about freedom of speech. I explicitly stated it was not a puritan thing. Fuck your strawman, if you want. See? That did very little in terms of argumentation. Now it was about using insults instead of proper arguments and pretending the mere use was funny. Which isn't. Also, it's funny how you "insult" in generic third person because if you insult me directly you might get banned. Hey, feel free to insult me directly. I won't care. You just won't necessarily have a good argument because of it and you might also get your comment deleted, but let's see if you're as "brave" to argue with the would be censors then.
isaacremuant 3y ago
You may also like writing in 1337speak. That's not an actual argument for it being an effective mechanism to convey an argument, which the website presumably tries to. Finding an insult funny just because it's an insult is definitely childish, as I've said before and you haven't tried to address, it relates to rebelry against some authority, which just isn't there in this case. I won't be offended by the insult, but using in the way the website in question does is just superfluous content and can effectively serve as an mechanism to hide less than solid points.
- mrits 3y ago
  Your response is definitely childish. Not in the immature sense but an underdeveloped sense of historical social transformation.

scarface_74 3y ago

> Say it, but style matters, Would you call this style? https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dFrgIrWmTeY https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dFrgIrWmTeY https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cV9MmqX089A https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cV9MmqX089A

lelanthran 3y ago

> I don't even say it with the typical puritan TV USA mindset but just the, give me the facts, not the show. Yelling won't make you right, just 14. Specially when it's clearly not a visceral reaction but a thought out post. Yeah, but if they had done it your way neither you nor anyone else would know about it. Looks to me like they put a lot of thought into the marketing of that thought out post