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I’m skeptical cheap and easy is something inherent with static sites. I think a dynamic setup can have both those qualities, but there isn’t yet CMS/blog softwa

by alxmng 3y ago

I’m skeptical cheap and easy is something inherent with static sites. I think a dynamic setup can have both those qualities, but there isn’t yet CMS/blog software that hits the sweet spot: self-contained, simple to setup, manage, and host.

jrochkind1 3y ago
If after 20 years of CMS/blogs (WordPress is 20), there isn't yet one...
rcarmo 3y ago
Hugo users would disagree with you.
jstanley 3y ago
Write your own. You know what subset of features you care about, only implement what you need how you need it, and don't worry about making it extensible for others. You'll never need to read any documentation or worry about breaking changes when you update it, and you'll know exactly what it is doing. I wrote my blog's static site generator 10 years ago and I'm still using it. If I want something it doesn't do, I change it. It's still a single-file perl script and it's easier (for me) than any other option.
Santosh83 3y ago
Indeed. These days we have 24x7 net connections on both our mobiles as well as home LAN/desktop whatever, but you still can't get a single, 1-click, drop-dead simple program that you can use to both author as well as serve web-pages and images right from your own device. Thanks largely to dynamic IPs, NAT, firewalls, ISP upstream throttling and developer apathy (since their livelihood may depend on the complexity of this), Joe wanting to publish his thoughts or photos still either has to sell his soul to FB/Insta/whatever or fork over significant cash for the likes of Wordpress/Squarespace, OR spend days to teach himself the nitty-gritty of buying a domain, fiddling with your DNS, setting up dynDNS, connecting all this to GitHub pages or whatever, fronting the whole thing with Cloudflare.
- lsp_trw 3y ago
  Freenet has been doing this since the 00s.
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- nonameiguess 3y ago
  This isn't the only reason. People who are trying to get attention will flock to where attention is directed. For better or worse, centralized platforms are a good place to do that. It's the same reason protestors, charity drives, people handing out free tickets to a new concert venue, do this in downtown parks and public squares, not their front yards. Popular photographers hold shows in galleries, not their own living rooms.
  - tenebrisalietum 3y ago
    A really popular photographer might hold a show in their own house and invite people. People who matter would go.
- crote 3y ago
  Exposing your home devices to the internet is a really bad idea, because it exposes you to doxxing, DDoSing, whatever security issues your 5-year-old smartphone may have, and a plethora of other risks. People used to do this in the 90s and early 2000s, but it turned out to be a hilariously bad idea security-wise. Even the enthusiasts these days use a dedicated server somewhere in a datacenter. Services like Github Pages and Cloudflare exist for a reason, and it isn't because anyone is trying to gatekeep web hosting.
  - detourdog 3y ago
    Some of us have been doing this since the 90's and don't see and end in sight. The issues are not bad compared to your average customer service call. I prefer knowing what is going on with the technology I manage. Most websites are way over complicated on the backend. It's very easy to self-host.
Derbasti 3y ago
Publii is a nice, easy to use, self-contained GUI for creating static websites. And Open Source, too.
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- BryanLegend 3y ago
  I've been running a site with Publii (at https://legendstudio.com/ https://legendstudio.com/) for a few years now. Really happy with it.
suprjami 3y ago
There are so many out there these days. It seems more likely to me that you just haven't found a static site generator which suits your workflow and technology preferences.
crote 3y ago
Dynamic sites are a strict superset of static sites. A static website will always be easier to host, and it will always have a smaller attack surface simply because less code is needed - especially custom one-off code. There is no custom executable to run, there is no need for authentication, there is no need to write files to disk, there is no need to parse user-provided content, there is no need to access a database, there are no custom libraries to update... A static website can literally be "upload and forget", and that simply isn't the case for dynamic sites.
- BrandoElFollito 3y ago
  The static sites attack surface is so small that it is zero :) You get everything anyway, and nothing you do is used by the server. Of course the server itself can be attacked, though it is much more difficult then with dynamic sites.
rr808 3y ago
You should try one of the free CDNs like Cloudflare or Netlify. Usually they're free for small sites. Integrates with static generators and git and makes the whole thing very simple.
- arkitaip 3y ago
  I am using Cloudflare pages and it's super easy to use. In the easiest version, there isn't even git just plain old file uploads.
roblh 3y ago
I built a little micro CMS backend for myself that I’m working on open sourcing which is pretty much this. It parses markdown files with frontmatter into html on startup and stores them in an in memory SQLite database. So you have no real content rendering overhead, and you get the little extra bonuses like full text search with FTS4 by default. I use it with sveltekit and it’s pretty cool, strikes a nice balance and is hilariously fast.

by alxmng 3y ago

jrochkind1 3y ago

If after 20 years of CMS/blogs (WordPress is 20), there isn't yet one...

rcarmo 3y ago

Hugo users would disagree with you.

jstanley 3y ago

Write your own. You know what subset of features you care about, only implement what you need how you need it, and don't worry about making it extensible for others. You'll never need to read any documentation or worry about breaking changes when you update it, and you'll know exactly what it is doing. I wrote my blog's static site generator 10 years ago and I'm still using it. If I want something it doesn't do, I change it. It's still a single-file perl script and it's easier (for me) than any other option.

Santosh83 3y ago

Indeed. These days we have 24x7 net connections on both our mobiles as well as home LAN/desktop whatever, but you still can't get a single, 1-click, drop-dead simple program that you can use to both author as well as serve web-pages and images right from your own device. Thanks largely to dynamic IPs, NAT, firewalls, ISP upstream throttling and developer apathy (since their livelihood may depend on the complexity of this), Joe wanting to publish his thoughts or photos still either has to sell his soul to FB/Insta/whatever or fork over significant cash for the likes of Wordpress/Squarespace, OR spend days to teach himself the nitty-gritty of buying a domain, fiddling with your DNS, setting up dynDNS, connecting all this to GitHub pages or whatever, fronting the whole thing with Cloudflare.

lsp_trw 3y ago
Freenet has been doing this since the 00s.
deleted 3y ago
[deleted]
nonameiguess 3y ago
This isn't the only reason. People who are trying to get attention will flock to where attention is directed. For better or worse, centralized platforms are a good place to do that. It's the same reason protestors, charity drives, people handing out free tickets to a new concert venue, do this in downtown parks and public squares, not their front yards. Popular photographers hold shows in galleries, not their own living rooms.
- tenebrisalietum 3y ago
  A really popular photographer might hold a show in their own house and invite people. People who matter would go.
crote 3y ago
Exposing your home devices to the internet is a really bad idea, because it exposes you to doxxing, DDoSing, whatever security issues your 5-year-old smartphone may have, and a plethora of other risks. People used to do this in the 90s and early 2000s, but it turned out to be a hilariously bad idea security-wise. Even the enthusiasts these days use a dedicated server somewhere in a datacenter. Services like Github Pages and Cloudflare exist for a reason, and it isn't because anyone is trying to gatekeep web hosting.
- detourdog 3y ago
  Some of us have been doing this since the 90's and don't see and end in sight. The issues are not bad compared to your average customer service call. I prefer knowing what is going on with the technology I manage. Most websites are way over complicated on the backend. It's very easy to self-host.

Derbasti 3y ago

Publii is a nice, easy to use, self-contained GUI for creating static websites. And Open Source, too.

deleted 3y ago
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BryanLegend 3y ago
I've been running a site with Publii (at https://legendstudio.com/ https://legendstudio.com/) for a few years now. Really happy with it.

suprjami 3y ago

There are so many out there these days. It seems more likely to me that you just haven't found a static site generator which suits your workflow and technology preferences.

crote 3y ago

Dynamic sites are a strict superset of static sites. A static website will always be easier to host, and it will always have a smaller attack surface simply because less code is needed - especially custom one-off code. There is no custom executable to run, there is no need for authentication, there is no need to write files to disk, there is no need to parse user-provided content, there is no need to access a database, there are no custom libraries to update... A static website can literally be "upload and forget", and that simply isn't the case for dynamic sites.

BrandoElFollito 3y ago
The static sites attack surface is so small that it is zero :) You get everything anyway, and nothing you do is used by the server. Of course the server itself can be attacked, though it is much more difficult then with dynamic sites.

rr808 3y ago

You should try one of the free CDNs like Cloudflare or Netlify. Usually they're free for small sites. Integrates with static generators and git and makes the whole thing very simple.

arkitaip 3y ago
I am using Cloudflare pages and it's super easy to use. In the easiest version, there isn't even git just plain old file uploads.

roblh 3y ago

I built a little micro CMS backend for myself that I’m working on open sourcing which is pretty much this. It parses markdown files with frontmatter into html on startup and stores them in an in memory SQLite database. So you have no real content rendering overhead, and you get the little extra bonuses like full text search with FTS4 by default. I use it with sveltekit and it’s pretty cool, strikes a nice balance and is hilariously fast.