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COSMIC DE: Desktop environment created for Pop!_OS and other Linux distros
- kaladin-jasnah 3y agoThe effort to write a DE in Rust (especially with iced) is impressive and will definitely improve Rust GUI efforts. I am surprised, however, the margins around buttons and layouts in the settings are uneven (eg. no margins around the "Wallpaper" title but large margins on the toggles on "Background fit" or "Slideshow"). Is this a beta thing, or how the UI is supposed to be designed?
- dlivingston 3y agoCan you provide any references on the DE being written with Rust + iced? That's huge news in my book. This would be, AFAIK, the first major production UI written with a Rust GUI framework.
- MegaDeKay 3y agoIts use of iced is mentioned in the article itself, second paragraph from the bottom. That same paragraph has a link to cosmic-text on github & its Rust code.
- kaladin-jasnah 3y agoI found this: https://www.reddit.com/r/pop_os/comments/xs87ed/is_iced_replacing_gtk_apps_for_the_new_cosmic/iqjc35b/?context=3 https://www.reddit.com/r/pop_os/comments/xs87ed/is_iced_repl... The commenter is a System76 employee.
- bcrescimanno 3y agoThe public repo for the new version of Cosmic: https://github.com/pop-os/cosmic-epoch https://github.com/pop-os/cosmic-epoch
- veidr 3y agoThey announced[1] it specifically as a Rust-based, iced-based desktop environment. [1]: https://blog.system76.com/post/november-at-system76-products-promos--cosmic-de https://blog.system76.com/post/november-at-system76-products...
- stavros 3y agoHmm, it's in Rust? That's interesting, if they manage to make a snappy DE, I'm switching to Pop!_OS in a heartbeat.
- bdeshi 3y ago~~I think that's supposed to be the scroll bar~~. what's caught my eye is the gaps between the content and the border in the window corners.
- Klonoar 3y agoIt's better than it was in previous previews, which makes me think we're probably seeing the result of "get a bunch of shit done" with sprints of "now make it look better", cycle and repeat.
- blablabla123 3y agoBefore Plasma this was also an issue with KDE, I mean uneven or missing margins/paddings. Gnome always had that though I think. Hopefully they'll improve these kind of things, at least from a first try the UX feels very smooth. Also considering it's built by one company.
- sharms 3y agoThese early results look very promising, it is really interesting to see the high quality and speed of iteration and they are tackling some hard problems such as High DPI right off the bat. Hoping to get to try this out soon
- WD-42 3y agoThis is the first time in recent memory that a company's software has made me want to buy their hardware. They are doing such cool stuff with Pop_OS, figure my next laptop will be from System76.
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- rglullis 3y agoHaving had one of their laptops and realizing how poorly constructed it is, I believe you should re-think it. Besides, there is nothing stopping you from using their DE on any other PC.
- wing-_-nuts 3y agoI use their os on an old xps 13, and it's fully replaced ubuntu (I hate snaps!) as my go to distribution. It's pretty flawless. I do hope they take the time to fully iron out the bugs on cosmic before making it the default. I was an early wayland adopter but after facing issue after issue, I eventually realized that the jump from xorg to wayland was all about making the developers life easier, with little to any benefit to me as an end user.
- ndiddy 3y agoI'm looking forward to their Virgo laptops, which will be designed and manufactured in-house instead of being rebadged Sager/Clevo laptops. If they're able to pair high-quality hardware with a high quality Linux desktop experience, I think a lot of developers will switch over.
- rglullis 3y agoToo late for me. The framework is doing everything I need and I hope that I never ever get to buy another full laptop.
- sockaddr 3y agoYeah as I recall they simply buy a well known laptop from Asia and rebrand it (as a lot of other companies do), at least the first ones were not developed by them at all.
- samschooler 3y agoFor anyone who was confused: I'm from Colorado and I like astronomy so I was pretty excited to read about well... that. This is about System76 which is also pretty cool but for people looking for Cosmic Skies of a Colorado July, please see the below links: - https://csastro.org/events-calendar/event/ https://csastro.org/events-calendar/event/ - https://www.denverpost.com/2022/01/03/2022-astronomy-meteor-showers-supermoons-solstice/ https://www.denverpost.com/2022/01/03/2022-astronomy-meteor-... - https://www.denverastro.org/das-events/event-calendar/ https://www.denverastro.org/das-events/event-calendar/ - https://www.9news.com/video/tech/science/starlink-satellites-colorado/73-1c622ae4-cc3f-48ef-bbab-0b82bb245e72 https://www.9news.com/video/tech/science/starlink-satellites...
- DMell 3y agoAlso from Colorado and this very much confused me.
- seanthemon 3y agoNot from Colorado, also disappointed - give me my promised cosmic skies!
- freedomben 3y agoWould it have been better if in the headline, instead of "Cosmic" they had put "COSMIC" ?
- samschooler 3y agoLooking at their previous headlines, that would make sense :)
- stavros 3y agoI think HN autocorrects capitals to title case.
- jsh_jhnsn 3y agoCOSMIC!_
- Karsteski 3y agoYay love these updates. I'm looking forward to hearing HDR news from system76
- claytongulick 3y agoI love what's going on with Pop!_OS but I wish they'd simplify the name and rebrand it. The exclamation point rubs me wrong.
- Zambyte 3y agoI believe it's meant to be pronounced like "pop bang", but no one says the bang part.
- mmstick76 3y agoIt's pronounced "Pop OS", or simply "Pop".
- SkyMarshal 3y agoYeah it's just too much to bother saying.
- mometsi 3y agoWithout zany capitalization or symbols how would people know it's an operating system? UNIX: not an acronym, but all-caps anyway iOS: inverted titlecase helps us stand out Microsoft® Windows™: these are our brand names! no trespassing!
- Zambyte 3y agoTo be fair, the first two are also trademarked brand names
- isthisfoss 3y agoIt really is the worst name. 76OS is much more mature
- beanjuiceII 3y agokind wish popOS + framework laptop, wasn't crazy about my system76 laptops :(
- AdmiralAsshat 3y agoConsidering you can install the current Pop!_OS on non-S76 laptops, I don't see why COSMIC wouldn't become more widely available when it's done. Heck, if it stays true to the idea of being just a Desktop Environment and not an entire OS, there's no reason we couldn't start to see it become a standard Ubuntu flavor or a Fedora Spin.
- beanjuiceII 3y agosurely, but system76 is the pop funding model, so while i don't enjoy their laptops i hope they are successful enough to continue its development
- mfer 3y agoI'm sending you this message from popOS on a Framework laptop.
- claytonjy 3y agoAs am I; it's been a very reliable combination for me.
- wing-_-nuts 3y agopop on xps13 here. It's dreamy
- sp33der89 3y agoCan one try out this new DE right now?
- opencl 3y agoThe repo readme has instructions for installing test builds. https://github.com/pop-os/cosmic-epoch https://github.com/pop-os/cosmic-epoch
- ugh123 3y agoOne thing i've seen desktop Linux struggle with, or rather the kernel or some other subsystem/drivers, is mouse and trackpad handling. On OSX (and possibly Windows although its been a long time), its soooooo silky smooth. But on multiple Linux distros i've used, including Pop and Ubuntu, it just doesn't feel right even after adjusting all sorts of settings. This is one thing thats kept me from full time Linux DE usage :( Edit: i'm using an Apple trackpad.
- vladvasiliu 3y agoRight now, at least on my machines, Linux/X11 is better than Windows. I think that on macOS, the hardware is also miles ahead of what you can get on a pc. This isn't to downplay the software because I remember my MBP's touchpad being wonky under windows a few years back. But things have improved. My HP EliteBook 845 G8 is fine under Linux/X11. Still somewhat worse than the 2013 MBP, but not nearly as horrible as the HP two generations back. I'd rate it as comparable to my 2012 unibody MBP. Under windows, it's fine, too, but it has a weird lag if you pay attention.
- dmz73 3y agoMac trackpad keeps getting mentioned as something that is leagues above the rest. I recently had to use MacBook air M2 and the trackpad was horrible. It was big but hard to use and it couldn't handle simple click and drag style of gesture that works on both windows and Linux. The buzzing feedback was random and confusing. I had to get a mouse after a few minutes struggling with it. For me experience on 15yo Dell with trackpad 1/4 the size feels superior to Mac.
- isthisfoss 3y agoThey’ve been talking about this for years I feel like. Are they committed to releasing it any time soon? The last Pop update was well over a year ago. Are they moving to a rolling distribution model once cosmic is completed? I recall System76 saying they’d do annual releases but again they haven’t delivered on that
- mmstick76 3y agoIt's been only a little more than a year since it was started. I don't know anyone who's able to announce the start of development of a new DE, and then have it released in less than a year.
- WhereIsTheTruth 3y agoResizing looks very sluggish I suspect they use Gnome Shell.. what a mistake if they do.. https://hyprland.org/ https://hyprland.org/ is where it's at
- skerit 3y ago> I suspect they use Gnome Shell.. what a mistake if they do.. I don't understand this remark. They're building a DE from the ground up, why would you think they're using Gnome Shell?
- mmstick76 3y agoIt looks sluggish because it's a GIF. cosmic-comp is written from scratch in Rust.
- codeusr014123 3y agoThe regular popos shell is built on top of gnome, but I believe COSMIC is a brand new DE built with rust/js. > https://hyprland.org/ https://hyprland.org/ is where it's at also, thanks for sharing this.
- jwells89 3y agoThis looks super smooth but I wish there were a floating-first version. All of the notable standalone Wayland WMs I know about are tiling-first which doesn't work well for me at all.
- SomeRndName11 3y agoAlthough I am myself running PopOS LTS on my machine right now, for historical reasons, I see no value proposition compared to Debian 12. If their Cosmic DE does not handle scaling at least as good as KDE (which is alow bar) I won't use it.
- mark_l_watson 3y agoThat looks pretty good! I have a System76 laptop running PopOS somI will try it this weekend. A little off topic, sorry, but I bought my System76 laptop about 5 years ago, and it is still a workhorse. Good but old i7 and 1080 GPU and software is up to date.
- jaakkonen 3y agoI'm so stoked about a well supported tiling Wayland compositor! Now KDE/Gnome are the only secure options in a world where all others implement screen capture, virtual keyboard and virtual mouse interfaces without access restrictions (looking at you sway and all of wlroots)
- linsomniac 3y agoDoes this mean I can do screenshots and video conferencing screen sharing?
- zdragnar 3y agoYou've been able to do that for quite awhile, though zoom in particular is a pita on arch.
- locusofself 3y agoThe silly name Pop!_OS has kept me from even trying it.
- qbasic_forever 3y agoYour loss, it's quite good. I've been using it for 3 years on a Ryzen laptop and it's the best Linux experience out of the box and with minimal customization that I've ever had in decades of Linux desktop use.
- davidcollantes 3y agoCome on, think about it: not trying it due to finding its name silly is even sillier.
- veidr 3y agoI solved that problem myself by just referring to it as "Pop OS" during the 3-4 years I used it. ¯\_(ಠ_ಠ)_/¯
- kylecazar 3y agoThe current Pop_OS gnome shell components are called COSMIC, and COSMIC DE is an entirely new standalone Rust environment that is in development. For the similarly confused.
- whalesalad 3y agoI wonder how many \! escaped bangs there are in build scripts for this ecosystem.
- yjftsjthsd-h 3y agoThat's one way to enforce good quoting/escaping discipline...
- jadbox 3y agoHow stable is it for nvidia users?
- mmstick76 3y agoPerfect. I have no issues using it from my RTX desktop, or RTX hybrid graphics laptop.
- LoganDark 3y ago> six total processes being managed by the notifications daemon using mere milliseconds of CPU resources Six processes should not take milliseconds of anything, there's no reason displaying a few notifications should take this much CPU time.
- nsonha 3y agoWe are in the age of mobile computing and most consumer Linux news I've seen on HN is about DESKTOP environment. Nothing new or innovative, it's always yet another way to stare at the gaps of multiple tiled windows, in the middle of the screen. People use computers like this?
- akdor1154 3y agoInterested in if the fractional scaling is using that new Wayland protocol that allows windows to render at the desired dpi directly, or if its the old Mac-style render-at-2×-then-shrink.
- mmstick76 3y agoThe former and the later, based on whether the application supports it or not.
- pjmlp 3y agoFrom the point of view of desktop development, I don't see any value on it. What are the frameworks for UI, audio, 3D, IPC, how they integrate with the remaining Linux distributions stack? I bet they are yet something that isn't quite GNOME, KDE, XFCE,..., with its own little island of APIs, reducing its utility to yet another window manager in practice. To make it easier to multitask between classical xterm and Electron apps.