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If you are risking fingers, cutting off body parts or taking dumb risks just stop. It's not worth it. It's not cool or interesting. These are the things yo

by ipaddr 3y ago

If you are risking fingers, cutting off body parts or taking dumb risks just stop. It's not worth it. It's not cool or interesting. These are the things you regret later. You did not get hurt here works until someone does get hurt and the hammer comes down on you.

tekla 3y ago
This is why people think counterculture is dead. I've hurt myself badly many times and have never regretted it, because it was fun and incredibly intellectually satisfying. I know no-one at these places that regret it, everyone accepts that that they are all working to a common goal of being awesome
- jahewson 3y ago
  I’ve never met anyone who regretted causing their own death either.
  - tekla 3y ago
    You may be surprised to learn some people survive being "dead" for a short while. I know at least two and neither regretted it, it was just a cool story.
- unsupp0rted 3y ago
  Survivorship bias
- ipaddr 3y ago
  No one at the events can admit to regretting it because they will be kicked out of the social group. The need for acceptance is greater than intellectual curiosity otherwise these riskful action would happen privately. That only happens for the few mental ill leaders. The rest are looking for excitement, social acceptance (from ingroup or stories later spread to new groups).
  - derefr 3y ago
    I think you're forgetting about the fact that people grow old and stop doing this, and therefore no longer have any social pressure on them to not speak ill of the idea? These parties have (presumably) been going on for a long time. If people wanted to speak out against them, then there'd be 50-year-olds writing angry screeds to "warn the youth of today" about "the mistakes they made in their own youth, and deeply regretted, but couldn't speak out at the time." But we don't see that.
- carapace 3y ago
  It's all fun and games until... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghost_Ship_warehouse_fire https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghost_Ship_warehouse_fire
tyho 3y ago
This is an attitude today which is almost universal in Anglo countries, yet those very same countries would never have developed as much as they have had it been present in the past. Safetyism is killing Western Civilisation.
sodapopcan 3y ago
I think you're missing the point of the comment. Saying "don't do these things" isn't helpful because people are going to do them regardless. OP is saying it should not be on the mainstream internet, ie, the open "gatekeeping required" statement.
- mihaic 3y ago
  That post does make it sounds very cool to do all these things though, so I'd say it's good to have a balancing post that says that risking body parts for a thrill is uncool.
  - tekla 3y ago
    That's just like your opinion man.
  - haswell 3y ago
    > risking body parts for a thrill is uncool - Free divers - Rock climbers - Motorcycle riders - Mountain bikers - Sky divers - Skateboarders - Glider pilots - Base jumpers There is a vast array of body-part-risking hobbies with a spectrum of associated risk. While I’m not one to encourage obvious stupidity, bodily risk is at the center of so many things that humans value, that I think there’s a framing problem by saying this is just uncool. More interesting is to explore why people are drawn to these things to begin with, and to examine why we dismiss some categories of risk as unnecessary or stupid while other socially acceptable risks are part of our daily lives. When I was a kid, I was drawn to model rocketry. I’m surprised my fingers are all still intact, but some close calls quickly reoriented my precautionary measures (I started being a lot more careful). The book “Flow” explores why some people do the things they do, and it seems that engaging in risky endeavors like rock climbing can be rewarding because of the feeling of flow and control one experiences. “Try crazy stuff but be as safe as you can be, and avoid impacting others” seems better than “uncool”, IMO.
    - mihaic 3y ago
      Like some dude said, that's just, like, my opinion. I'm not forcing it on anyone, but I do want a fair chance of trying to convince others of it. I understand that mastery and control can come from dangerous activities, but I can still voice my disapproval of these activities, since you can get the same feeling through safer ways.
abwizz 3y ago
it's cool if you get throu it w/o loosing. i'd say they risk is what makes it interesting.

by ipaddr 3y ago

tekla 3y ago

This is why people think counterculture is dead. I've hurt myself badly many times and have never regretted it, because it was fun and incredibly intellectually satisfying. I know no-one at these places that regret it, everyone accepts that that they are all working to a common goal of being awesome

jahewson 3y ago
I’ve never met anyone who regretted causing their own death either.
- tekla 3y ago
  You may be surprised to learn some people survive being "dead" for a short while. I know at least two and neither regretted it, it was just a cool story.
unsupp0rted 3y ago
Survivorship bias
ipaddr 3y ago
No one at the events can admit to regretting it because they will be kicked out of the social group. The need for acceptance is greater than intellectual curiosity otherwise these riskful action would happen privately. That only happens for the few mental ill leaders. The rest are looking for excitement, social acceptance (from ingroup or stories later spread to new groups).
- derefr 3y ago
  I think you're forgetting about the fact that people grow old and stop doing this, and therefore no longer have any social pressure on them to not speak ill of the idea? These parties have (presumably) been going on for a long time. If people wanted to speak out against them, then there'd be 50-year-olds writing angry screeds to "warn the youth of today" about "the mistakes they made in their own youth, and deeply regretted, but couldn't speak out at the time." But we don't see that.
carapace 3y ago
It's all fun and games until... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghost_Ship_warehouse_fire https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghost_Ship_warehouse_fire

tyho 3y ago

This is an attitude today which is almost universal in Anglo countries, yet those very same countries would never have developed as much as they have had it been present in the past. Safetyism is killing Western Civilisation.

sodapopcan 3y ago

I think you're missing the point of the comment. Saying "don't do these things" isn't helpful because people are going to do them regardless. OP is saying it should not be on the mainstream internet, ie, the open "gatekeeping required" statement.

mihaic 3y ago
That post does make it sounds very cool to do all these things though, so I'd say it's good to have a balancing post that says that risking body parts for a thrill is uncool.
- tekla 3y ago
  That's just like your opinion man.
- haswell 3y ago
  > risking body parts for a thrill is uncool - Free divers - Rock climbers - Motorcycle riders - Mountain bikers - Sky divers - Skateboarders - Glider pilots - Base jumpers There is a vast array of body-part-risking hobbies with a spectrum of associated risk. While I’m not one to encourage obvious stupidity, bodily risk is at the center of so many things that humans value, that I think there’s a framing problem by saying this is just uncool. More interesting is to explore why people are drawn to these things to begin with, and to examine why we dismiss some categories of risk as unnecessary or stupid while other socially acceptable risks are part of our daily lives. When I was a kid, I was drawn to model rocketry. I’m surprised my fingers are all still intact, but some close calls quickly reoriented my precautionary measures (I started being a lot more careful). The book “Flow” explores why some people do the things they do, and it seems that engaging in risky endeavors like rock climbing can be rewarding because of the feeling of flow and control one experiences. “Try crazy stuff but be as safe as you can be, and avoid impacting others” seems better than “uncool”, IMO.
  - mihaic 3y ago
    Like some dude said, that's just, like, my opinion. I'm not forcing it on anyone, but I do want a fair chance of trying to convince others of it. I understand that mastery and control can come from dangerous activities, but I can still voice my disapproval of these activities, since you can get the same feeling through safer ways.

abwizz 3y ago

it's cool if you get throu it w/o loosing. i'd say they risk is what makes it interesting.