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The power plants are a lot more efficient, but it does require converting the electric grid over to renewables and nuclear. Natural gas is cleaner, but it’s a s

The power plants are a lot more efficient, but it does require converting the electric grid over to renewables and nuclear. Natural gas is cleaner, but it’s a stop on the way to the destination, not the destination. We will also achieve that, because quite frankly, we have no choice in the matter. Walkways, bike paths, and public transit are great things. I wish they did more of that where I live. I’d rather not use cars when I have the option. But they will never be the solution. They should be a part of the solution.

JackSlateur 3y ago
Electricity transportation is not efficient Recycling EV stuff is also terrible Funny fact: here in france, in 2019 (so pre-covid), automobile were responsible for 10% of the petroleum consumption on the main land 10%, yes, just 10% (source: https://www.insee.fr/fr/statistiques/2119673 https://www.insee.fr/fr/statistiques/2119673) The project to replace all cars by EV cars is a fraud. I'm sure not everybody will lose in that project. But don't worry : in the best case (which we know will never be anything but theory and dream), we will resolve 10% of the initial problem. Awesome!
- schiffern 3y ago
  >10%, yes, just 10% You forgot to include diesel (Gazole), which makes up a whopping 46% of all petroleum use in France. As for your "scam," it doesn't exist. Nobody's claiming EVs can solve the entire sustainability problem all by themselves. That would be oversimplified, "Silver Bullet" thinking. EVs are great, but they're just one part of a complete sustainable economy. "Necessary but not sufficient." [edit: removed a faulty statistic in a tangent]
  - orwin 3y ago
    19% from renewables and 78% from nuclear from what i read, so you're off by an order of magnitude here.
  - JeanMarcS 3y ago
    I don't understand where you get those number from. In the first paragraph of your link : > In 2020, nuclear power made up the largest portion of electricity generation, at around 78%.[2] Renewables accounted for 19.1% of energy consumption.
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- orwin 3y ago
  So for people that can't read French or statistics: "Carburants pour automobile¹" mean unleaded, and yes, 8.5/72.7 is .11 of the total petroleum consumption. "Gazole" however mean diesel, and is 32.8/72.7 so .45 of the total petroleum consumption. Including buses, tractors and trucks btw.
calaphos 3y ago
Modern Thermal power plants reached Thermal efficenies of 45-50% for coal and closed cycle gas turbines. ICE cars have a hard time reaching 25% under normal conditions. Additionally burning methane has lower CO2 emissions than gasoline and a third of the US grid is produced from carbon free sources anyway.

JackSlateur 3y ago

Electricity transportation is not efficient Recycling EV stuff is also terrible Funny fact: here in france, in 2019 (so pre-covid), automobile were responsible for 10% of the petroleum consumption on the main land 10%, yes, just 10% (source: https://www.insee.fr/fr/statistiques/2119673 https://www.insee.fr/fr/statistiques/2119673) The project to replace all cars by EV cars is a fraud. I'm sure not everybody will lose in that project. But don't worry : in the best case (which we know will never be anything but theory and dream), we will resolve 10% of the initial problem. Awesome!

schiffern 3y ago
>10%, yes, just 10% You forgot to include diesel (Gazole), which makes up a whopping 46% of all petroleum use in France. As for your "scam," it doesn't exist. Nobody's claiming EVs can solve the entire sustainability problem all by themselves. That would be oversimplified, "Silver Bullet" thinking. EVs are great, but they're just one part of a complete sustainable economy. "Necessary but not sufficient." [edit: removed a faulty statistic in a tangent]
- orwin 3y ago
  19% from renewables and 78% from nuclear from what i read, so you're off by an order of magnitude here.
- JeanMarcS 3y ago
  I don't understand where you get those number from. In the first paragraph of your link : > In 2020, nuclear power made up the largest portion of electricity generation, at around 78%.[2] Renewables accounted for 19.1% of energy consumption.
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orwin 3y ago
So for people that can't read French or statistics: "Carburants pour automobile¹" mean unleaded, and yes, 8.5/72.7 is .11 of the total petroleum consumption. "Gazole" however mean diesel, and is 32.8/72.7 so .45 of the total petroleum consumption. Including buses, tractors and trucks btw.

calaphos 3y ago

Modern Thermal power plants reached Thermal efficenies of 45-50% for coal and closed cycle gas turbines. ICE cars have a hard time reaching 25% under normal conditions. Additionally burning methane has lower CO2 emissions than gasoline and a third of the US grid is produced from carbon free sources anyway.