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No doubt those batteries will be proprietary, with a chip in it so you can only use new batteries supplied by your phone producer. Better start working on a law

No doubt those batteries will be proprietary, with a chip in it so you can only use new batteries supplied by your phone producer. Better start working on a law against that too.

hardware2win 3y ago
It should have been implemented years ago against printer industry
- DaanDL 3y ago
  Maybe some smartphones will now say you're "in need of a new battery" quicker now :-)
  - alex_duf 3y ago
    It had not occurred to me and this is terrifying
    - scotty79 3y ago
      Also replacement batteries for old phones will probably cost nearly as much as new phones and will have a huge profit margin for phone manufacturers.
    - catchnear4321 3y ago
      why? it will be fine. mildly overpriced batteries of varying reliability will be ubiquitous. you will be able to get rid of that warning message with a stop at a gas station, or perhaps… a low monthly fee. perhaps rather like toothbrush head, you could get a new one periodically. on subscription. just throw the old one in the trash, and it will magically disappear to somewhere else.
- fragmede 3y ago
  if you've been paying attention, batteries already report percentage and serial number over too few connectors. There wasn't, or weren't successful lawsuits stopping innovation when printers died, what's to stop innovation again LLMs?
Dalewyn 3y ago
Third-party/counterfeit batteries are near universally Shit with a capital S, they won't need any lock-ins to get my money for new or spare genuine batteries.
- wesapien 3y ago
  I beg to differ. I have two LG V20s and I've tried multiple batteries over the years and they all worked fine. The battery by third party vendors actually got better over time. OEM had 3200mah while you can get a 4200mah since 2020.
evandijk70 3y ago
Are you sure? That did not happen for mobile phone chargers.
- martin8412 3y ago
  While you're not bound to a specific charger, most modern phones(outside of Apple phones) can only reach maximum charging speeds if you (indirectly) pay money to Qualcomm. That will probably change going forward with the new rules on standardized charging.
  - pjerem 3y ago
    As long as it just charges as fast as the standard usb-c norm, it’s ok. Charging is essential and had to be standardized. Fast charging is a bonus.
    - martin8412 3y ago
      USB-C doesn't have a standard charging norm. It's just a connector.
      - pgeorgi 3y ago
        https://www.usb.org/usb-charger-pd https://www.usb.org/usb-charger-pd says "The USB Power Delivery (USB PD) Specification enables the maximum functionality of USB by providing more flexible power delivery along with data over a single cable." The interesting bits of the spec use extra pins from Type-C, so for the most part it's Type-C's charging norm.
        seba_dos1 3y ago
        ...and even aside of USB PD, USB-C The Connector does have a standard way to signalize maximum charging current (0.5/0.9A, 1.5A or 3A at 5V) without using PD.
        kevin_thibedeau 3y ago
Garvi 3y ago
Question: Is this defeatism, is it faith based (laws are bad,period), or are you expecting to be profiteering from planned obsolescence yourself in the future?
- scotty79 3y ago
  I think that's just cynicism. Which is just another name for realism. It's not that the law about mandating replaceble battery is bad. But manufacturers will predictably squeeze every single cent they can. You can expect batteries to be chipped and cost nearly as much as new phones. So the fact that this law was past will be a huge additional profit for manufacturers unless there are some other laws about batteries.
  - avidphantasm 3y ago
    If everyone has to comply, at some point the manufacturers will have to compete on reparability and parts prices.
    - matheusd 3y ago
      Unless there is a small enough number of them that they can coordinate and all follow the same strategy.
  - bayindirh 3y ago
    I have replaced my iPhone X's battery after 4 years for %12 of its sale price. I had to wait longer than expected because my phone was a first generation device of its model number (Apple does silent internal revisions of the same model over time), so they had to upgrade a power managenent firmware normally not covered by iOS updates. Also, they have changed my speaker free of charge because apparently it was defective or broken in a way I didn't know. After three years, my phone is out of support, with battery health at 90%. Considering my phone is out of support starting this year, this is neither expensive, nor planned obsolescence. I'll save and buy another iPhone (the latest and greatest) in a couple of years, and will use that one for a decade, too. How this is gouging the customer? I support replaceable batteries, that will be great, but current practice is not to make batteries so expensive that people prefer newer phones, on the contrary.
M2Ys4U 3y ago
Well we're in luck, because the regulation does touch on this. Batteries must be "available as spare parts of the equipment that they power for a minimum of five years after placing the last unit of the equipment model on the market, with a reasonable and non-discriminatory price for independent professionals and end-users" And there's a ban on software-locking too: "Software shall not be used to impede the replacement of a portable battery or LMT battery, or of their key components, with another compatible battery or key components."

No doubt those batteries will be proprietary, with a chip in it so you can only use new batteries supplied by your phone producer. Better start working on a law against that too.

hardware2win 3y ago

It should have been implemented years ago against printer industry

DaanDL 3y ago
Maybe some smartphones will now say you're "in need of a new battery" quicker now :-)
- alex_duf 3y ago
  It had not occurred to me and this is terrifying
  - scotty79 3y ago
    Also replacement batteries for old phones will probably cost nearly as much as new phones and will have a huge profit margin for phone manufacturers.
  - catchnear4321 3y ago
    why? it will be fine. mildly overpriced batteries of varying reliability will be ubiquitous. you will be able to get rid of that warning message with a stop at a gas station, or perhaps… a low monthly fee. perhaps rather like toothbrush head, you could get a new one periodically. on subscription. just throw the old one in the trash, and it will magically disappear to somewhere else.
fragmede 3y ago
if you've been paying attention, batteries already report percentage and serial number over too few connectors. There wasn't, or weren't successful lawsuits stopping innovation when printers died, what's to stop innovation again LLMs?

Dalewyn 3y ago

Third-party/counterfeit batteries are near universally Shit with a capital S, they won't need any lock-ins to get my money for new or spare genuine batteries.

wesapien 3y ago
I beg to differ. I have two LG V20s and I've tried multiple batteries over the years and they all worked fine. The battery by third party vendors actually got better over time. OEM had 3200mah while you can get a 4200mah since 2020.

evandijk70 3y ago

Are you sure? That did not happen for mobile phone chargers.

martin8412 3y ago
While you're not bound to a specific charger, most modern phones(outside of Apple phones) can only reach maximum charging speeds if you (indirectly) pay money to Qualcomm. That will probably change going forward with the new rules on standardized charging.
- pjerem 3y ago
  As long as it just charges as fast as the standard usb-c norm, it’s ok. Charging is essential and had to be standardized. Fast charging is a bonus.
  - martin8412 3y ago
    USB-C doesn't have a standard charging norm. It's just a connector.
    - pgeorgi 3y ago
      https://www.usb.org/usb-charger-pd https://www.usb.org/usb-charger-pd says "The USB Power Delivery (USB PD) Specification enables the maximum functionality of USB by providing more flexible power delivery along with data over a single cable." The interesting bits of the spec use extra pins from Type-C, so for the most part it's Type-C's charging norm.
      - seba_dos1 3y ago
        ...and even aside of USB PD, USB-C The Connector does have a standard way to signalize maximum charging current (0.5/0.9A, 1.5A or 3A at 5V) without using PD.
      - kevin_thibedeau 3y ago

Garvi 3y ago

Question: Is this defeatism, is it faith based (laws are bad,period), or are you expecting to be profiteering from planned obsolescence yourself in the future?

scotty79 3y ago
I think that's just cynicism. Which is just another name for realism. It's not that the law about mandating replaceble battery is bad. But manufacturers will predictably squeeze every single cent they can. You can expect batteries to be chipped and cost nearly as much as new phones. So the fact that this law was past will be a huge additional profit for manufacturers unless there are some other laws about batteries.
- avidphantasm 3y ago
  If everyone has to comply, at some point the manufacturers will have to compete on reparability and parts prices.
  - matheusd 3y ago
    Unless there is a small enough number of them that they can coordinate and all follow the same strategy.
- bayindirh 3y ago
  I have replaced my iPhone X's battery after 4 years for %12 of its sale price. I had to wait longer than expected because my phone was a first generation device of its model number (Apple does silent internal revisions of the same model over time), so they had to upgrade a power managenent firmware normally not covered by iOS updates. Also, they have changed my speaker free of charge because apparently it was defective or broken in a way I didn't know. After three years, my phone is out of support, with battery health at 90%. Considering my phone is out of support starting this year, this is neither expensive, nor planned obsolescence. I'll save and buy another iPhone (the latest and greatest) in a couple of years, and will use that one for a decade, too. How this is gouging the customer? I support replaceable batteries, that will be great, but current practice is not to make batteries so expensive that people prefer newer phones, on the contrary.

M2Ys4U 3y ago

Well we're in luck, because the regulation does touch on this. Batteries must be "available as spare parts of the equipment that they power for a minimum of five years after placing the last unit of the equipment model on the market, with a reasonable and non-discriminatory price for independent professionals and end-users" And there's a ban on software-locking too: "Software shall not be used to impede the replacement of a portable battery or LMT battery, or of their key components, with another compatible battery or key components."