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The same people who hate and politicize abortion also usually hate and politicize contraceptives. I don't know if that had an impact in the choice to seek appro

The same people who hate and politicize abortion also usually hate and politicize contraceptives. I don't know if that had an impact in the choice to seek approval or not, but I wouldn't be surprised. If it looks like Trump might win the electoral college and the Dems might lose Congress, it might not be the worst thing to have stocked up on.

giantg2 3y ago
It expires 1 year from manufacturer, so stockpiling isn't really a viable option.
hattmall 3y ago
The contingent of people who want abortion restrictions and those who want to ban daily preventative contraception is incredibly minimal. There is no serious mainstream movement whatsoever to ban this type of medicine. This type of hyperbolic proselytizing has no place in reasoned discussion.
- anigbrowl 3y ago
  You're assuming a fundamentally democratic decision-making process that doesn't exist in reality. It's entirely conceivable that a 5-4 Supreme Court majority could outlaw or restrict something that enjoys broad acceptance in the population at large, for example.
  - supazek 3y ago
    In what way would they ban something? I mean, what would that mechanism look like? Honest question. It seems that they would only be able to rule some legislation unconstitutional or to rule on a case to set a precedent. FWIW I think the Supreme Court overall does an amazing job upholding the constitution. The Roe v Wade upset made sense from a legal perspective and they have a strong recent history of supporting citizens rights in the face of overreaching LE agencies.
- crote 3y ago
  Is the Catholic Church mainstream enough for you? They consider all forms of contraception intrinsically evil. The US is already seeing attempts to pass laws banning Plan B or IUDs, it is not too much of a stretch to think hormonal birth control is at risk too.
  - parineum 3y ago
    The Catholic Church might consider it a sin but that doesn't correlate with American Catholics wanting to ban contraceptives. I'd wager most American Catholics don't agree and then even more don't care about it's legality. The Catholic Church also considers adultery a sin but that doesn't mean Catholics want adulterers executed.
- MisterBastahrd 3y ago
  Incredibly minimal. Totally hyperbolic proselytizing. They're not going to stop. They have no intent to. They're going to keep pushing until a legal entity pushes back one way or the other. https://pulseforlife.org/why-not-contracept/ https://pulseforlife.org/why-not-contracept/ https://www.catholic.com/tract/birth-control https://www.catholic.com/tract/birth-control https://www.prolifewi.org/contraception https://www.prolifewi.org/contraception https://www.help.senate.gov/chair/newsroom/press/republican-senator-blocks-bill-to-codify-americans-right-to-contraception- https://www.help.senate.gov/chair/newsroom/press/republican-... https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/17/us/politics/birth-control-dobbs-clarence-thomas.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/17/us/politics/birth-control... https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/birth-control-ruling-to-see-fresh-scrutiny-in-republican-controlled-texas-capitol https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/birth-control-ruling-to-...
CivBase 3y ago
I don't know where this is coming from. I'm aware that a significant portion of conservatives are very religious and some religious people object to contraception. But I'm not aware of any concerted effort by Republicans to ban or restrict pre-pregnancy contraceptives in my lifetime. And while I have plenty of thoughts about Trump, I'm not aware of him ever suggesting an interest in restricting access to contraceptives.
- fzeroracer 3y ago
  > But I'm not aware of any concerted effort by Republicans to ban or restrict pre-pregnancy contraceptives in my lifetime. Really? Because Texas has been marching in that direction for some time now. There was a recent ruling that when it comes to contraceptives that agencies cannot protect minor confidentiality from their parents. Multiple republican think tanks push the idea that contraceptives kill babies and should be banned as abortifacients. You can see these attacks starting in multiple locations [1] [2]. The goal is obviously attack anything with dubious claims of abortifacient, then reduce access to anything that is not (by removing contraceptives from sex ed, reducing access, and preventing people from talking to doctors about it). [1] https://www.cathmed.org/catholic-medical-association-applauds-ama-recognition-of-hormonal-contraceptives-link-to-risk-of-breast-cancer/?s=contraception https://www.cathmed.org/catholic-medical-association-applaud... [2] https://studentsforlife.org/learn/contraception/ https://studentsforlife.org/learn/contraception/
  - telotortium 3y ago
    Most contraceptive pills have some risk of causing abortion, at least if you count stopping implantation - is that factually incorrect?
  - CivBase 3y ago
    > There was a recent ruling that when it comes to contraceptives that agencies cannot protect minor confidentiality from their parents. That issue is about whether parents should have access to private information about their children, not restrictions to contraceptives. I already acknowledged there are groups who are opposed to contraception. The Catholic Medical Association and Students for Life of America are examples of such groups. And there are undoubtably Republicans who try to appeal to those groups. But you have not provided compelling evidence of a concerted effort by the GOP to restrict access to pre-pregnancy contraceptives. It's like claiming the Republican party wants to restore segregation because many Republicans oppose affirmative action and there are racist groups who vote for them.

giantg2 3y ago

It expires 1 year from manufacturer, so stockpiling isn't really a viable option.

hattmall 3y ago

The contingent of people who want abortion restrictions and those who want to ban daily preventative contraception is incredibly minimal. There is no serious mainstream movement whatsoever to ban this type of medicine. This type of hyperbolic proselytizing has no place in reasoned discussion.

anigbrowl 3y ago
You're assuming a fundamentally democratic decision-making process that doesn't exist in reality. It's entirely conceivable that a 5-4 Supreme Court majority could outlaw or restrict something that enjoys broad acceptance in the population at large, for example.
- supazek 3y ago
  In what way would they ban something? I mean, what would that mechanism look like? Honest question. It seems that they would only be able to rule some legislation unconstitutional or to rule on a case to set a precedent. FWIW I think the Supreme Court overall does an amazing job upholding the constitution. The Roe v Wade upset made sense from a legal perspective and they have a strong recent history of supporting citizens rights in the face of overreaching LE agencies.
crote 3y ago
Is the Catholic Church mainstream enough for you? They consider all forms of contraception intrinsically evil. The US is already seeing attempts to pass laws banning Plan B or IUDs, it is not too much of a stretch to think hormonal birth control is at risk too.
- parineum 3y ago
  The Catholic Church might consider it a sin but that doesn't correlate with American Catholics wanting to ban contraceptives. I'd wager most American Catholics don't agree and then even more don't care about it's legality. The Catholic Church also considers adultery a sin but that doesn't mean Catholics want adulterers executed.
MisterBastahrd 3y ago
Incredibly minimal. Totally hyperbolic proselytizing. They're not going to stop. They have no intent to. They're going to keep pushing until a legal entity pushes back one way or the other. https://pulseforlife.org/why-not-contracept/ https://pulseforlife.org/why-not-contracept/ https://www.catholic.com/tract/birth-control https://www.catholic.com/tract/birth-control https://www.prolifewi.org/contraception https://www.prolifewi.org/contraception https://www.help.senate.gov/chair/newsroom/press/republican-senator-blocks-bill-to-codify-americans-right-to-contraception- https://www.help.senate.gov/chair/newsroom/press/republican-... https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/17/us/politics/birth-control-dobbs-clarence-thomas.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/17/us/politics/birth-control... https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/birth-control-ruling-to-see-fresh-scrutiny-in-republican-controlled-texas-capitol https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/birth-control-ruling-to-...

CivBase 3y ago

I don't know where this is coming from. I'm aware that a significant portion of conservatives are very religious and some religious people object to contraception. But I'm not aware of any concerted effort by Republicans to ban or restrict pre-pregnancy contraceptives in my lifetime. And while I have plenty of thoughts about Trump, I'm not aware of him ever suggesting an interest in restricting access to contraceptives.

fzeroracer 3y ago
> But I'm not aware of any concerted effort by Republicans to ban or restrict pre-pregnancy contraceptives in my lifetime. Really? Because Texas has been marching in that direction for some time now. There was a recent ruling that when it comes to contraceptives that agencies cannot protect minor confidentiality from their parents. Multiple republican think tanks push the idea that contraceptives kill babies and should be banned as abortifacients. You can see these attacks starting in multiple locations [1] [2]. The goal is obviously attack anything with dubious claims of abortifacient, then reduce access to anything that is not (by removing contraceptives from sex ed, reducing access, and preventing people from talking to doctors about it). [1] https://www.cathmed.org/catholic-medical-association-applauds-ama-recognition-of-hormonal-contraceptives-link-to-risk-of-breast-cancer/?s=contraception https://www.cathmed.org/catholic-medical-association-applaud... [2] https://studentsforlife.org/learn/contraception/ https://studentsforlife.org/learn/contraception/
- telotortium 3y ago
  Most contraceptive pills have some risk of causing abortion, at least if you count stopping implantation - is that factually incorrect?
- CivBase 3y ago
  > There was a recent ruling that when it comes to contraceptives that agencies cannot protect minor confidentiality from their parents. That issue is about whether parents should have access to private information about their children, not restrictions to contraceptives. I already acknowledged there are groups who are opposed to contraception. The Catholic Medical Association and Students for Life of America are examples of such groups. And there are undoubtably Republicans who try to appeal to those groups. But you have not provided compelling evidence of a concerted effort by the GOP to restrict access to pre-pregnancy contraceptives. It's like claiming the Republican party wants to restore segregation because many Republicans oppose affirmative action and there are racist groups who vote for them.