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How is it irrelevant? If a new project/product is being hyped by a company with a well documented history of hyping then abandoning projects and products, it's

How is it irrelevant? If a new project/product is being hyped by a company with a well documented history of hyping then abandoning projects and products, it's objectively a relevant comment. For example, if there's a post about the new Threads app, and someone comments about Meta's record on, say... security, data privacy, moderation or support of Instagram, WhatsApp, and Facebook, or something about their failed projects like Beacon, Sponsored Stories, Creative Labs, and Facebook Credits, those are likely going to be relevant comments because the corporate culture and past record on projects and products reveals something about what we might be able to expect from Threads.

magicalist 3y ago
Eh, as a ride or die google reader fan, when there's six "DAE google reader" comments in a row, you all just read like lazy comments looking for some karma and detailing any (potential) interesting discussion before it starts. That's my main draw here, so definitely a reflexive down vote from me.
tylerhou 3y ago
It's not irrelevant, it's just incredibly tiring reading the same comment over and over again on every thread that remotely mentions Google launching a new product. > For example, if there's a post about the new Threads app, and someone comments about Meta's record on, say... security, data privacy OK, let's look at the Threads launch post. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36580192 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36580192. - Ctrl+F "security". Exactly 0 comment hits (on the first page). - Ctrl+F "privacy". There are three hits, and two of them just mention "privacy policy" without making a comment about Meta's previous privacy violations. - Ctrl+F "moderation". Exactly one hit about how Meta has historically been bad about moderation. Let's look at the current post about Google launching this product (NotebookLM). Ctrl+F "kill". There are at LEAST ten comments about how Google will kill this product off soon. It's not comparable to the discussion re. Meta and its history. Google killing off products is table stakes at this point. Imagine every time you clicked on an HN discussion about Python, you had to read ten comments about how Python is slow and if you want a faster language you should use Rust. "Python slow, Rust fast." Yes, we get that already. Can we just skip the memetic comments about "Google bad cuz they kill stuff" and read discussion with more meat?
- vogon_laureate 3y ago
  I meant the Threads point as a hypothetical example not a literal one. I see annoying and repetitive comments on HN all the time. I don't have to upvote them or engage with them at all. I can merrily skip on by. Unless they're being abusive or threatening, I don't see what the problem is? Clearly enough people think Google's record of hypeware-to-abandonware cycle is worth raising again and again because it's a frustrating aspect of the company's 'innovation' process and HN is a fairly influential place to keep that issue alive in the hopes that it might lead to some change or at the very least inform people who are considering investing a lot of time, energy, and capital into depending on such projects. It's also not exclusive to Google[1], though perhaps the one most notorious for it. I've also found those "Python slow, Rust fast" threads genuinely useful because they prompt people to report on progress in Python on that front, or indeed even how the two languages can work together to play to each other's strengths.[2] [1]: https://killedby.tech/ [2]: https://pythonspeed.com/articles/easiest-rust-python/
- throw47474777j 3y ago
  Google could actually take note of the issue and work to improve their reputation. Then these comments would die away.
- disgruntledphd2 3y ago
  I mean basically every time there's an article about Python, people complain about the packaging story, because it doesn't work for a lot of usecases. Almost every Meta thread has the dumb fucks quote and/or nobody uses Facebook anymore it's gonna die soon. This is just the way online message boards and branding work. Fundamentally Google should white label all it's new products if they want this to stop.

magicalist 3y ago

Eh, as a ride or die google reader fan, when there's six "DAE google reader" comments in a row, you all just read like lazy comments looking for some karma and detailing any (potential) interesting discussion before it starts. That's my main draw here, so definitely a reflexive down vote from me.

tylerhou 3y ago

It's not irrelevant, it's just incredibly tiring reading the same comment over and over again on every thread that remotely mentions Google launching a new product. > For example, if there's a post about the new Threads app, and someone comments about Meta's record on, say... security, data privacy OK, let's look at the Threads launch post. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36580192 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36580192. - Ctrl+F "security". Exactly 0 comment hits (on the first page). - Ctrl+F "privacy". There are three hits, and two of them just mention "privacy policy" without making a comment about Meta's previous privacy violations. - Ctrl+F "moderation". Exactly one hit about how Meta has historically been bad about moderation. Let's look at the current post about Google launching this product (NotebookLM). Ctrl+F "kill". There are at LEAST ten comments about how Google will kill this product off soon. It's not comparable to the discussion re. Meta and its history. Google killing off products is table stakes at this point. Imagine every time you clicked on an HN discussion about Python, you had to read ten comments about how Python is slow and if you want a faster language you should use Rust. "Python slow, Rust fast." Yes, we get that already. Can we just skip the memetic comments about "Google bad cuz they kill stuff" and read discussion with more meat?

vogon_laureate 3y ago
I meant the Threads point as a hypothetical example not a literal one. I see annoying and repetitive comments on HN all the time. I don't have to upvote them or engage with them at all. I can merrily skip on by. Unless they're being abusive or threatening, I don't see what the problem is? Clearly enough people think Google's record of hypeware-to-abandonware cycle is worth raising again and again because it's a frustrating aspect of the company's 'innovation' process and HN is a fairly influential place to keep that issue alive in the hopes that it might lead to some change or at the very least inform people who are considering investing a lot of time, energy, and capital into depending on such projects. It's also not exclusive to Google[1], though perhaps the one most notorious for it. I've also found those "Python slow, Rust fast" threads genuinely useful because they prompt people to report on progress in Python on that front, or indeed even how the two languages can work together to play to each other's strengths.[2] [1]: https://killedby.tech/ [2]: https://pythonspeed.com/articles/easiest-rust-python/
throw47474777j 3y ago
Google could actually take note of the issue and work to improve their reputation. Then these comments would die away.
disgruntledphd2 3y ago
I mean basically every time there's an article about Python, people complain about the packaging story, because it doesn't work for a lot of usecases. Almost every Meta thread has the dumb fucks quote and/or nobody uses Facebook anymore it's gonna die soon. This is just the way online message boards and branding work. Fundamentally Google should white label all it's new products if they want this to stop.