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I wish the folks who clearly do not like Google would just not use their products instead of spamming every thread about how they will kill the product, true or

I wish the folks who clearly do not like Google would just not use their products instead of spamming every thread about how they will kill the product, true or not. —— Anyway, It’s not clear which model they’re using for this. I assume whatever Bard is using, but who knows. This is relevant because depending on the intended experience the latency will matter. Overall it’s not a bad idea, but I do wonder what the monetization path will be for Google. I imagine this will be part of workspace. Perhaps they will add more tiers to include these offerings. I wish they shared a bit about how this will be differentiated from Bard. Is this simply a new front end to Bard? It’s really an open question. I haven’t seen many products that use LLMs that are better than the prompt response UX. The most interesting thing about this blog post is the “source grounding.” I’m curious if there’s actual engineering behind it, or is it prompt tweaking contextualized behind the scenes on a given doc.

arikrak 3y ago
+1. It's labeled as an experiment, of course it might shut down.
- chefandy 3y ago
  Gmail was in "beta" for 5 years after its public launch-- those labels aren't really useful.
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px43 3y ago
Bard isn't a model, it's a product. Bard was launched with PaLM originally, the same model that the one employee claimed was sentient. At Google I/O they announced PaLM2 and switched over to Bard being backed by it, while also making Bard open to the general public on the same day. Google is currently in the process of training Gemini, which is positioned to be their GPT-4 killer, as it's multi-modal, and presumably quite a bit more powerful than GPT-4 is. PaLM2 is more analogous to GPT-3. NotebookLM is a very different product than Bard. Bard has a vague understanding of the information on the internet, and NotebookLM will, presumably, have some level of understanding of your personal documents. It will almost certainly be using PaLM2 until Gemini is ready. That will be neat because Gemini will be able to look at images and read visual charts in your documents. PaLM2 is only able to comprehend text.
- endisneigh 3y ago
  Right - to clarify I meant the model used by bard. I was too lazy to see what bard currently uses since it’s transparent to the user, to your point. Multi modal models being used would be killer. But the monetization thoughts remain, this stuff isn’t cheap.
- flandish 3y ago
  > Bard is a product No. The users are, as they are mined for detail to be used in advertisement and such later. Bard is a vector.
tomrod 3y ago
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vogon_laureate 3y ago
People are wary about Google product launches because of a well documented[1] pattern of corporate behaviour[2] when it comes to either the project's planning and execution, resourcing, or long-term support. You don't have to agree with those comments, but they are legitimate concerns being expressed by people who have been burned enough times by the company that it has developed a degree[3] of notoriety[4] for it as a result.[5] [1]: https://killedbygoogle.com/ https://killedbygoogle.com/ [2]: https://gcemetery.co/ https://gcemetery.co/ [3]: https://www.theverge.com/2019/11/26/20977968/google-graveyard-products-shut-down-dead-not-supported-discontinues-spring-cleaning https://www.theverge.com/2019/11/26/20977968/google-graveyar... [4]: https://www.xda-developers.com/google-killing-new-products-editoral/ https://www.xda-developers.com/google-killing-new-products-e... [5]: https://arstechnica.com/series/google-kills-product/ https://arstechnica.com/series/google-kills-product/
- endisneigh 3y ago
  Like I mentioned, don’t use google products then. What’s the value of spamming this all of the time? The validity of the concern isn’t the problem, it’s the fact that it’s irrelevant to the content being posted.
  - 888666 3y ago
    To warn users so they're aware that the lifespan of the product they're using may be very short, and therefore they may lose something they put a lot of investment in. It's empathy.
    - endisneigh 3y ago
      Shall every post for every company be spammed with irrelevant content about questionable actions conducted by said companies? Why not just submit a post about that directly and let that be the topic of discussion? Do you see how this entire thread is irrelevant to the submitted post? Do you see the problem?
      - 3y ago
techsupporter 3y ago
> I wish the folks who clearly do not like Google would just not use their products instead of spamming every thread about how they will kill the product, true or not. Me, upon reading something about this: "Oh, this sounds interesting, I would like to have a go at something nea--" observes it is released by Google "Well, never mind, I'm not going to invest the energy into it until it reaches its third birthday." Google could simply stop taking a scythe to products at a rapid clip and shed their reputation if they want to benefit from not being slagged for it everytime they release something new.
- panopticon 3y ago
  > Well, never mind, I'm not going to invest the energy into it until it reaches its third birthday. Even that's not a guarantee of anything. Google Domains made it to 9 years before getting the axe.
- PeterStuer 3y ago
  While I understant the feelings about Google wrt product longevity, I fail to see why that would prevent you from using this specific product as the 'investment' seems to be you uploading a Google doc and the payoff is instant.
smeagull 3y ago
It's useful for people to be reminded of the most salient fact about a Google product.
isaacfung 3y ago
I feel like most social media would be much more usable if there is some kind of browser extension that automatically clusters the comments and hides the same opinion/sentiments that have been repeated a dozen times in the same thread(you can label the clusters with comment counts of the same topic). edit: Actually before someone submits a comment, they should be informed that how many people have said the exact same thing, like a repost warning.
manojlds 3y ago
You don't have to HATE or not like Google to be very wary of their product killings.
diffeomorphism 3y ago
> I wish the folks who clearly do not like Google would just not use their products instead of spamming every thread about how they will kill the product, true or not. It seems weird that you think these people do not like google. Then why would they care? The uncertainty of the "google graveyard" only affects you if you do like and use their stuff. And fans in particular can be very gloom and doom about anything, e.g. see any esports game update and how it will completely break everything.
throw47474777j 3y ago
I want to like Google’s products, and used to be quite the Google evangelist, but the lack of commitment is one of several reasons I won’t invest time in them now.

arikrak 3y ago

+1. It's labeled as an experiment, of course it might shut down.

chefandy 3y ago
Gmail was in "beta" for 5 years after its public launch-- those labels aren't really useful.

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px43 3y ago

Bard isn't a model, it's a product. Bard was launched with PaLM originally, the same model that the one employee claimed was sentient. At Google I/O they announced PaLM2 and switched over to Bard being backed by it, while also making Bard open to the general public on the same day. Google is currently in the process of training Gemini, which is positioned to be their GPT-4 killer, as it's multi-modal, and presumably quite a bit more powerful than GPT-4 is. PaLM2 is more analogous to GPT-3. NotebookLM is a very different product than Bard. Bard has a vague understanding of the information on the internet, and NotebookLM will, presumably, have some level of understanding of your personal documents. It will almost certainly be using PaLM2 until Gemini is ready. That will be neat because Gemini will be able to look at images and read visual charts in your documents. PaLM2 is only able to comprehend text.

endisneigh 3y ago
Right - to clarify I meant the model used by bard. I was too lazy to see what bard currently uses since it’s transparent to the user, to your point. Multi modal models being used would be killer. But the monetization thoughts remain, this stuff isn’t cheap.
flandish 3y ago
> Bard is a product No. The users are, as they are mined for detail to be used in advertisement and such later. Bard is a vector.

tomrod 3y ago

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vogon_laureate 3y ago

People are wary about Google product launches because of a well documented[1] pattern of corporate behaviour[2] when it comes to either the project's planning and execution, resourcing, or long-term support. You don't have to agree with those comments, but they are legitimate concerns being expressed by people who have been burned enough times by the company that it has developed a degree[3] of notoriety[4] for it as a result.[5] [1]: https://killedbygoogle.com/ https://killedbygoogle.com/ [2]: https://gcemetery.co/ https://gcemetery.co/ [3]: https://www.theverge.com/2019/11/26/20977968/google-graveyard-products-shut-down-dead-not-supported-discontinues-spring-cleaning https://www.theverge.com/2019/11/26/20977968/google-graveyar... [4]: https://www.xda-developers.com/google-killing-new-products-editoral/ https://www.xda-developers.com/google-killing-new-products-e... [5]: https://arstechnica.com/series/google-kills-product/ https://arstechnica.com/series/google-kills-product/

endisneigh 3y ago
Like I mentioned, don’t use google products then. What’s the value of spamming this all of the time? The validity of the concern isn’t the problem, it’s the fact that it’s irrelevant to the content being posted.
- 888666 3y ago
  To warn users so they're aware that the lifespan of the product they're using may be very short, and therefore they may lose something they put a lot of investment in. It's empathy.
  - endisneigh 3y ago
    Shall every post for every company be spammed with irrelevant content about questionable actions conducted by said companies? Why not just submit a post about that directly and let that be the topic of discussion? Do you see how this entire thread is irrelevant to the submitted post? Do you see the problem?
    - 3y ago

techsupporter 3y ago

> I wish the folks who clearly do not like Google would just not use their products instead of spamming every thread about how they will kill the product, true or not. Me, upon reading something about this: "Oh, this sounds interesting, I would like to have a go at something nea--" observes it is released by Google "Well, never mind, I'm not going to invest the energy into it until it reaches its third birthday." Google could simply stop taking a scythe to products at a rapid clip and shed their reputation if they want to benefit from not being slagged for it everytime they release something new.

panopticon 3y ago
> Well, never mind, I'm not going to invest the energy into it until it reaches its third birthday. Even that's not a guarantee of anything. Google Domains made it to 9 years before getting the axe.
PeterStuer 3y ago
While I understant the feelings about Google wrt product longevity, I fail to see why that would prevent you from using this specific product as the 'investment' seems to be you uploading a Google doc and the payoff is instant.

smeagull 3y ago

It's useful for people to be reminded of the most salient fact about a Google product.

isaacfung 3y ago

I feel like most social media would be much more usable if there is some kind of browser extension that automatically clusters the comments and hides the same opinion/sentiments that have been repeated a dozen times in the same thread(you can label the clusters with comment counts of the same topic). edit: Actually before someone submits a comment, they should be informed that how many people have said the exact same thing, like a repost warning.

manojlds 3y ago

You don't have to HATE or not like Google to be very wary of their product killings.

diffeomorphism 3y ago

> I wish the folks who clearly do not like Google would just not use their products instead of spamming every thread about how they will kill the product, true or not. It seems weird that you think these people do not like google. Then why would they care? The uncertainty of the "google graveyard" only affects you if you do like and use their stuff. And fans in particular can be very gloom and doom about anything, e.g. see any esports game update and how it will completely break everything.

throw47474777j 3y ago

I want to like Google’s products, and used to be quite the Google evangelist, but the lack of commitment is one of several reasons I won’t invest time in them now.