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Please excuse my ignorance here, but are you saying that the board makers have no say on what chip they want to incorporate into their board? And those chips fi
by tmchu 3y ago
Please excuse my ignorance here, but are you saying that the board makers have no say on what chip they want to incorporate into their board? And those chips firmware are not open or at least accessible to the board makers?
- joezydeco 3y agoWhat I'm saying is treat the board as a development harness to get your project going. If you have issues with the processor don't take it up with the board maker because they're usually just as clueless. The exception would be boards like RPi or Beagle where the designers are tight with or owned by the chipmakers themselves.
- jvanderbot 3y agoRight, which is what GP was saying: stick to those that are able to support longer than zero time horizon.
- joezydeco 3y agoBut the fundamental difference here is that most people buying SBCs are treating them as self-contained COTS compute modules. As someone that has worked with these EVKs for decades, you never treated them as part of your final product. But with the advent of Beagle and RPI, that's where we are now. But when you buy an RPi or Beaglebone as the core of your industrial smelter and expect support for that module comparable to, say, a module from Kontron? You're going to be disappointed.
- jvanderbot 3y agoSupport is the S in IOT.
- HeyLaughingBoy 3y agoI thought that.... oh, Security is the other S. Got it!
- snvzz 3y agoIdentity is the Id in IdIoT.
- opless 3y agoBoard support packages very rarely get updated and usually target a very specific kernel version. You move off that kernel version, no BSP, no boot. sad times. This is one reason why you don't get android phones supported past the android release shipped. You're completely at the mercy of the SoC provider. Promises of 'n' years support are quite often quietly dropped after 18 months, when they realise all the engineers have moved to working madly to get the latest SoC's BSP out of the door. Rinse and repeat.
- KingLancelot 3y agoThis problem wouldn’t exist if linux had a stable ABI. Hopefully Fuchsia’s stable ABI promises pan out and companies start releasing drivers for it.
- snvzz 3y agoHaiku is already working on the board, although you need to build your own, as there's no public builds for it. Haiku remarkably does have proper driver APIs and stable ABIs. Linux is and will remain painful, on all platforms, until it is finally deprecated, and for a while longer after that.