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>Nobody EXCEPT the parasitic data miners/advertisement class want this they might not want this specifically, but there's a whole lot of people out there who w

>Nobody EXCEPT the parasitic data miners/advertisement class want this they might not want this specifically, but there's a whole lot of people out there who want free TV, whatever the easiest way to get it is.

HWR_14 3y ago
Except the current standard of ATSC 2 provides free OTA TV without the datamining and personalized ads. It's not like the choices are ATSC 3 or we cannot figure anything out.
- LocalH 3y ago
  I mean, those are effectively the choices, since the major impetus for ATSC 3 is the encryption. I'd honestly be fine with it if it were things like major sports events and other network programming that were going to be encrypted, but individual broadcasters (whether station group owned or not) are probably not likely to set things up where they can selectively encrypt, I expect most channels that broadcast any encrypted content will have the switch flipped to encryption 100% of the time. It should be illegal to encrypt OTA news and local interest programming.
  - joecool1029 3y ago
    > I'd honestly be fine with it if it were things like major sports events Why? These are heavily subsidized by taxpayer money and the broadcasters are already making money off advertising on these events. > It should be illegal to encrypt OTA news and local interest programming. It was on hybrid cable systems, (analog and digital channels). Since they went all-digital they lobbied and got the FCC to make it legal to encrypt broadcast stations: https://www.fcc.gov/document/commission-relaxes-cable-encryption-prohibition https://www.fcc.gov/document/commission-relaxes-cable-encryp...
- TeMPOraL 3y ago
  > It's not like the choices are ATSC 3 or we cannot figure anything out. Theoretically there are other options, but in practice, the choice is exactly that - ATSC 3 or GTFO - because the people with money and power to push standards through want to subject consumers to datamining and personalized ads, and they know perfectly well there's nothing consumers can realistically do about it. Like increasingly many markets, it's a supplier-driven "take it or leave it" situation. And don't anchor your hope to current/legacy protocols - if people keep sticking to them to avoid the data mining and personalized ads, those protocols will get deprecated because they "don't support newest industry standard encryption models", or some other plausibly-deniabe bullshit.
asveikau 3y ago
My hunch is that over-the-air broadcasts are much less popular in the US than they were 30 years ago. A lot of Americans probably don't even know they can get digital broadcasts with a coax antenna. One group is probably paying for cable or satellite, and another, probably the one with more growth, is mostly watching stuff on phones and tablets.
- babypuncher 3y ago
  That second group still uses TVs, but they don't watch OTA TV. They use streaming services.
  - hn8305823 3y ago
    Or, when they do watch live OTA programming they do it via a streaming service like Hulu+/YoutubeTV
  - asveikau 3y ago
    That's true, I do a lot of that myself but somehow I overlooked it in my description. For me the larger screen provides a social aspect, it's something to do with family or with guests, vs. consuming alone on a phone.
  - m_myers 3y ago
    Or they use a device like a Tablo to get free OTA TV with all the advantages of streaming to devices, no subscription needed. I've done this for several years. I can be out working in the yard and pull out my phone to watch couple minutes of a football game on ABC or whatever, as long as I'm in WiFi range.
- akira2501 3y ago
  > My hunch is that over-the-air broadcasts are much less popular in the US than they were 30 years ago. Well, obviously.. there's a lot more than 3 choices for most people now. > A lot of Americans probably don't even know they can get digital broadcasts with a coax antenna. The people who watch sports know this, and it is reflected in the Nielsen ratings... this is still a huge market.
amelius 3y ago
> they might not want this specifically, but there's a whole lot of people out there who want free TV, whatever the easiest way to get it is. Meanwhile they spend $10 on a frappuccino with hazelnut syrup.

HWR_14 3y ago

Except the current standard of ATSC 2 provides free OTA TV without the datamining and personalized ads. It's not like the choices are ATSC 3 or we cannot figure anything out.

LocalH 3y ago
I mean, those are effectively the choices, since the major impetus for ATSC 3 is the encryption. I'd honestly be fine with it if it were things like major sports events and other network programming that were going to be encrypted, but individual broadcasters (whether station group owned or not) are probably not likely to set things up where they can selectively encrypt, I expect most channels that broadcast any encrypted content will have the switch flipped to encryption 100% of the time. It should be illegal to encrypt OTA news and local interest programming.
- joecool1029 3y ago
  > I'd honestly be fine with it if it were things like major sports events Why? These are heavily subsidized by taxpayer money and the broadcasters are already making money off advertising on these events. > It should be illegal to encrypt OTA news and local interest programming. It was on hybrid cable systems, (analog and digital channels). Since they went all-digital they lobbied and got the FCC to make it legal to encrypt broadcast stations: https://www.fcc.gov/document/commission-relaxes-cable-encryption-prohibition https://www.fcc.gov/document/commission-relaxes-cable-encryp...
TeMPOraL 3y ago
> It's not like the choices are ATSC 3 or we cannot figure anything out. Theoretically there are other options, but in practice, the choice is exactly that - ATSC 3 or GTFO - because the people with money and power to push standards through want to subject consumers to datamining and personalized ads, and they know perfectly well there's nothing consumers can realistically do about it. Like increasingly many markets, it's a supplier-driven "take it or leave it" situation. And don't anchor your hope to current/legacy protocols - if people keep sticking to them to avoid the data mining and personalized ads, those protocols will get deprecated because they "don't support newest industry standard encryption models", or some other plausibly-deniabe bullshit.

asveikau 3y ago

My hunch is that over-the-air broadcasts are much less popular in the US than they were 30 years ago. A lot of Americans probably don't even know they can get digital broadcasts with a coax antenna. One group is probably paying for cable or satellite, and another, probably the one with more growth, is mostly watching stuff on phones and tablets.

babypuncher 3y ago
That second group still uses TVs, but they don't watch OTA TV. They use streaming services.
- hn8305823 3y ago
  Or, when they do watch live OTA programming they do it via a streaming service like Hulu+/YoutubeTV
- asveikau 3y ago
  That's true, I do a lot of that myself but somehow I overlooked it in my description. For me the larger screen provides a social aspect, it's something to do with family or with guests, vs. consuming alone on a phone.
- m_myers 3y ago
  Or they use a device like a Tablo to get free OTA TV with all the advantages of streaming to devices, no subscription needed. I've done this for several years. I can be out working in the yard and pull out my phone to watch couple minutes of a football game on ABC or whatever, as long as I'm in WiFi range.
akira2501 3y ago
> My hunch is that over-the-air broadcasts are much less popular in the US than they were 30 years ago. Well, obviously.. there's a lot more than 3 choices for most people now. > A lot of Americans probably don't even know they can get digital broadcasts with a coax antenna. The people who watch sports know this, and it is reflected in the Nielsen ratings... this is still a huge market.

amelius 3y ago

> they might not want this specifically, but there's a whole lot of people out there who want free TV, whatever the easiest way to get it is. Meanwhile they spend $10 on a frappuccino with hazelnut syrup.