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Cool. Add this to "Yet another reason why I pirate". Nobody EXCEPT the parasitic data miners/advertisement class want this. I'm certainly never going to entert

by pierat 3y ago

Cool. Add this to "Yet another reason why I pirate". Nobody EXCEPT the parasitic data miners/advertisement class want this. I'm certainly never going to entertain hooking up a internet connection for continual adverts and data mining to a TV tuner. Fuck that, no way. Torrents, Usenet, and DVDs have everything I could ever want. And that list is also decreasing.

notatoad 3y ago
>Nobody EXCEPT the parasitic data miners/advertisement class want this they might not want this specifically, but there's a whole lot of people out there who want free TV, whatever the easiest way to get it is.
- HWR_14 3y ago
  Except the current standard of ATSC 2 provides free OTA TV without the datamining and personalized ads. It's not like the choices are ATSC 3 or we cannot figure anything out.
  - LocalH 3y ago
    I mean, those are effectively the choices, since the major impetus for ATSC 3 is the encryption. I'd honestly be fine with it if it were things like major sports events and other network programming that were going to be encrypted, but individual broadcasters (whether station group owned or not) are probably not likely to set things up where they can selectively encrypt, I expect most channels that broadcast any encrypted content will have the switch flipped to encryption 100% of the time. It should be illegal to encrypt OTA news and local interest programming.
    - joecool1029 3y ago
      > I'd honestly be fine with it if it were things like major sports events Why? These are heavily subsidized by taxpayer money and the broadcasters are already making money off advertising on these events. > It should be illegal to encrypt OTA news and local interest programming. It was on hybrid cable systems, (analog and digital channels). Since they went all-digital they lobbied and got the FCC to make it legal to encrypt broadcast stations: https://www.fcc.gov/document/commission-relaxes-cable-encryption-prohibition https://www.fcc.gov/document/commission-relaxes-cable-encryp...
  - TeMPOraL 3y ago
    > It's not like the choices are ATSC 3 or we cannot figure anything out. Theoretically there are other options, but in practice, the choice is exactly that - ATSC 3 or GTFO - because the people with money and power to push standards through want to subject consumers to datamining and personalized ads, and they know perfectly well there's nothing consumers can realistically do about it. Like increasingly many markets, it's a supplier-driven "take it or leave it" situation. And don't anchor your hope to current/legacy protocols - if people keep sticking to them to avoid the data mining and personalized ads, those protocols will get deprecated because they "don't support newest industry standard encryption models", or some other plausibly-deniabe bullshit.
- asveikau 3y ago
  My hunch is that over-the-air broadcasts are much less popular in the US than they were 30 years ago. A lot of Americans probably don't even know they can get digital broadcasts with a coax antenna. One group is probably paying for cable or satellite, and another, probably the one with more growth, is mostly watching stuff on phones and tablets.
  - babypuncher 3y ago
    That second group still uses TVs, but they don't watch OTA TV. They use streaming services.
    - hn8305823 3y ago
      Or, when they do watch live OTA programming they do it via a streaming service like Hulu+/YoutubeTV
    - asveikau 3y ago
      That's true, I do a lot of that myself but somehow I overlooked it in my description. For me the larger screen provides a social aspect, it's something to do with family or with guests, vs. consuming alone on a phone.
    - m_myers 3y ago
      Or they use a device like a Tablo to get free OTA TV with all the advantages of streaming to devices, no subscription needed. I've done this for several years. I can be out working in the yard and pull out my phone to watch couple minutes of a football game on ABC or whatever, as long as I'm in WiFi range.
  - akira2501 3y ago
    > My hunch is that over-the-air broadcasts are much less popular in the US than they were 30 years ago. Well, obviously.. there's a lot more than 3 choices for most people now. > A lot of Americans probably don't even know they can get digital broadcasts with a coax antenna. The people who watch sports know this, and it is reflected in the Nielsen ratings... this is still a huge market.
- amelius 3y ago
  > they might not want this specifically, but there's a whole lot of people out there who want free TV, whatever the easiest way to get it is. Meanwhile they spend $10 on a frappuccino with hazelnut syrup.
jchw 3y ago
People have become so obsessed with movies and TV franchises, but I wonder if by adding enough sadism and masochism to the process of trying to watch TV and movies, media companies will eventually succeed in changing the tides and pushing people to find other hobbies. The enshittening hasn't spared a single thing. When will the self-deprecation of having to deal with it overcome the FOMO of not watching the latest thing they shit out?
- callalex 3y ago
  This transition is already happening. The younger generation seems to be spending a lot more time watching “streamers” and “vtubers” when they are in the mood for passive entertainment.
  - jonhohle 3y ago
    As a gen-x, I have too, but probably for a different reason. YT channels have basically replaced local and network TV for me. The “shows” are interesting, free, and have the feeling of live or current content that streaming services don’t have. I know the schedule of my favorite YT channels like I used to know network TV line ups. On the other hand, there’s something so dead, for lack of a better word, with streaming services and, imho, streaming audio.
  - wkat4242 3y ago
    Those are datamined a LOT more though!
- supertrope 3y ago
  The 1996 Telecommunications Act was intended to increase intramodal competition between incumbent phone companies and newer competitors on local and long distance phone calls. What actually happened is the landline phone companies moved on to cellphones and broadband. You can get TV service from your phone company, and phone service from your cable TV company. Kids physical toys sales declined in the face of computerized entertainment. Satellite radio merged saying the market niche wasn't big enough for two companies to survive. Netflix said its biggest competitor is a video game Fortnite not other Internet TV subscriptions, and it even competes with people's sleep hours.
robertoandred 3y ago
Can we stop appending "class" to everything? It's neither clever or accurate.
- pinkcan 3y ago
  can we agree to abolish the pedantic class, they produce boring commentary
SoftTalker 3y ago
Usenet?
- HankB99 3y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet Old stuff but still there. I used it before I had Internet access. Even ran a leaf node for groups that interested me. It was capable of distributing binary content such as pictures, videos and warez.
  - SoftTalker 3y ago
    Yes I know what usenet is, just surprised that anyone might be using it in 2023 to distribute pirated movies.
    - TheHappyOddish 3y ago
      It's incredibly high quality and heaps safer than torrents. I can't imagine why you wouldn't.

by pierat 3y ago

notatoad 3y ago

>Nobody EXCEPT the parasitic data miners/advertisement class want this they might not want this specifically, but there's a whole lot of people out there who want free TV, whatever the easiest way to get it is.

HWR_14 3y ago
Except the current standard of ATSC 2 provides free OTA TV without the datamining and personalized ads. It's not like the choices are ATSC 3 or we cannot figure anything out.
- LocalH 3y ago
  I mean, those are effectively the choices, since the major impetus for ATSC 3 is the encryption. I'd honestly be fine with it if it were things like major sports events and other network programming that were going to be encrypted, but individual broadcasters (whether station group owned or not) are probably not likely to set things up where they can selectively encrypt, I expect most channels that broadcast any encrypted content will have the switch flipped to encryption 100% of the time. It should be illegal to encrypt OTA news and local interest programming.
  - joecool1029 3y ago
    > I'd honestly be fine with it if it were things like major sports events Why? These are heavily subsidized by taxpayer money and the broadcasters are already making money off advertising on these events. > It should be illegal to encrypt OTA news and local interest programming. It was on hybrid cable systems, (analog and digital channels). Since they went all-digital they lobbied and got the FCC to make it legal to encrypt broadcast stations: https://www.fcc.gov/document/commission-relaxes-cable-encryption-prohibition https://www.fcc.gov/document/commission-relaxes-cable-encryp...
- TeMPOraL 3y ago
  > It's not like the choices are ATSC 3 or we cannot figure anything out. Theoretically there are other options, but in practice, the choice is exactly that - ATSC 3 or GTFO - because the people with money and power to push standards through want to subject consumers to datamining and personalized ads, and they know perfectly well there's nothing consumers can realistically do about it. Like increasingly many markets, it's a supplier-driven "take it or leave it" situation. And don't anchor your hope to current/legacy protocols - if people keep sticking to them to avoid the data mining and personalized ads, those protocols will get deprecated because they "don't support newest industry standard encryption models", or some other plausibly-deniabe bullshit.
asveikau 3y ago
My hunch is that over-the-air broadcasts are much less popular in the US than they were 30 years ago. A lot of Americans probably don't even know they can get digital broadcasts with a coax antenna. One group is probably paying for cable or satellite, and another, probably the one with more growth, is mostly watching stuff on phones and tablets.
- babypuncher 3y ago
  That second group still uses TVs, but they don't watch OTA TV. They use streaming services.
  - hn8305823 3y ago
    Or, when they do watch live OTA programming they do it via a streaming service like Hulu+/YoutubeTV
  - asveikau 3y ago
    That's true, I do a lot of that myself but somehow I overlooked it in my description. For me the larger screen provides a social aspect, it's something to do with family or with guests, vs. consuming alone on a phone.
  - m_myers 3y ago
    Or they use a device like a Tablo to get free OTA TV with all the advantages of streaming to devices, no subscription needed. I've done this for several years. I can be out working in the yard and pull out my phone to watch couple minutes of a football game on ABC or whatever, as long as I'm in WiFi range.
- akira2501 3y ago
  > My hunch is that over-the-air broadcasts are much less popular in the US than they were 30 years ago. Well, obviously.. there's a lot more than 3 choices for most people now. > A lot of Americans probably don't even know they can get digital broadcasts with a coax antenna. The people who watch sports know this, and it is reflected in the Nielsen ratings... this is still a huge market.
amelius 3y ago
> they might not want this specifically, but there's a whole lot of people out there who want free TV, whatever the easiest way to get it is. Meanwhile they spend $10 on a frappuccino with hazelnut syrup.

jchw 3y ago

People have become so obsessed with movies and TV franchises, but I wonder if by adding enough sadism and masochism to the process of trying to watch TV and movies, media companies will eventually succeed in changing the tides and pushing people to find other hobbies. The enshittening hasn't spared a single thing. When will the self-deprecation of having to deal with it overcome the FOMO of not watching the latest thing they shit out?

callalex 3y ago
This transition is already happening. The younger generation seems to be spending a lot more time watching “streamers” and “vtubers” when they are in the mood for passive entertainment.
- jonhohle 3y ago
  As a gen-x, I have too, but probably for a different reason. YT channels have basically replaced local and network TV for me. The “shows” are interesting, free, and have the feeling of live or current content that streaming services don’t have. I know the schedule of my favorite YT channels like I used to know network TV line ups. On the other hand, there’s something so dead, for lack of a better word, with streaming services and, imho, streaming audio.
- wkat4242 3y ago
  Those are datamined a LOT more though!
supertrope 3y ago
The 1996 Telecommunications Act was intended to increase intramodal competition between incumbent phone companies and newer competitors on local and long distance phone calls. What actually happened is the landline phone companies moved on to cellphones and broadband. You can get TV service from your phone company, and phone service from your cable TV company. Kids physical toys sales declined in the face of computerized entertainment. Satellite radio merged saying the market niche wasn't big enough for two companies to survive. Netflix said its biggest competitor is a video game Fortnite not other Internet TV subscriptions, and it even competes with people's sleep hours.

robertoandred 3y ago

Can we stop appending "class" to everything? It's neither clever or accurate.

pinkcan 3y ago
can we agree to abolish the pedantic class, they produce boring commentary

SoftTalker 3y ago

Usenet?

HankB99 3y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet Old stuff but still there. I used it before I had Internet access. Even ran a leaf node for groups that interested me. It was capable of distributing binary content such as pictures, videos and warez.
- SoftTalker 3y ago
  Yes I know what usenet is, just surprised that anyone might be using it in 2023 to distribute pirated movies.
  - TheHappyOddish 3y ago
    It's incredibly high quality and heaps safer than torrents. I can't imagine why you wouldn't.