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I count a dozen dudes. I don’t think we’re gonna figure out the true nature of the universe via that kind of monocultural uniformity.

fassssst 3y ago
That was my first thought too. That’s a lot of dudes!
3cats-in-a-coat 3y ago
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- systemvoltage 3y ago
  Haha, just read all the comments here to get an idea of intellectual diversity.
- saagarjha 3y ago
  Posting flamebait and then editing your post to goad people into downvoting it for being flamebait so you can cry about Hacker News trying to silence you is intellectually dishonest.
  - 3cats-in-a-coat 3y ago
    I was downvoted first, and then edited it. Way I see it, what I responded to is flamebait, and what I said it common sense. I think it says a lot you're trying to spin it the other way around. No, no one wants to get his comment downvoted and cry about it. That's an assinine misrepresentation. But what could I expect from the permanently offended brigade.
    - saagarjha 3y ago
      Seems pretty familiar to me. First you post something that you want to say and hope people agree with it. They don't, so you then put something on the end like "the woke liberals disagree with this". Obviously this just makes everyone upset, both the actual woke liberals and people who are not woke liberals but don't care for this kind of drivel, and they downvote you even harder. Then you can point at your comment and now go "I was going to speak something profound but the woke liberals brigaded it. Obviously it would be upvoted if they didn't come here and target me!"
      - 3cats-in-a-coat 3y ago
        I'm from Europe, and I neither think in terms of "woke liberals" nor "rightwing conservatives". I speak what's common sense, and of course I notice afterwards what seems obvious in retrospect: certain topics are highly politicized, leading to atypical score (you'll notice I almost have no negative score on my comments). And yes this makes an impression on me, am I allowed to notice or not?
bezout 3y ago
It’s basically all dudes that jumped from FAANG to FAANG. Impressive but I would expect to see biologists, neuroscientists, physicists, psychologists etc
- 3cats-in-a-coat 3y ago
  That's a very romanticized Michael Crichton experts-of-various-fields-get-together-to-solve-a-problem like scenario, but in reality, when you're an AI company and you have 12 people, you kinda need them to handle the AI basics first. Say, we can hire a philosopher to ponder what a true apple should taste like, but you better hire first farmers with experience in growing apples.
oh_sigh 3y ago
I see people from Britain, Germany, Hungary, Canada, China, and America.
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numbers_guy 3y ago
What do you want Musk to do? Visit every university in the US and Europe to poach off the top women in AI, so that he could have a mixed team? Would that actually be good for the world? Those poor uni AI departments worked really hard to find a woman to hire and then Musk comes along and poaches her off. And then somehow that would be better, because?
- civilitty 3y ago
  Let's keep Elon away from college women, for all our sakes. The last thing we need is a very public mid-life crisis sex cult.
- janalsncm 3y ago
  Musk is pretty toxic at this point I’m guessing the appeal of working for him as a woman is somewhere between challenge trials for cholera and becoming a live crash test dummy.
wyager 3y ago
What makes you say that? The history of physics (our most successful endeavor in this direction) is very monocultural (by the standard of granularity you are using).
- jimlongton 3y ago
  Science was once the domain of Catholic monks and wealthy gentry because they were the few literate people with access to books. Monoculture is not a sign of merit.
  - throwoutway 3y ago
    > Monoculture is not a sign of merit. This is a weird position to take in absolutes. There are single gender schools in the UK, and I'm sure if you spent some significant time with those boys or girls, you would recognize some have more merit than their peers.
ToValueFunfetti 3y ago
I'm all for diversity for diversity's sake, but I find this to be a very strange position. What difference between men and women are you proposing that allows one or both to have unique insights into the nature of the universe? It seems like everything I know about the fundamental universe does come from a dozen or so dudes (for historical reasons rather than competency, of course), like Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, Bacon, Newton, Darwin, Einstein, Turing, and von Neumann. I fully believe that women could have solved the same problems, it just doesn't make sense to me to say that men can't, considering that they already have.
caeril 3y ago
This is terrible. No Italian people, either. Moreover, it's important to note that five of them are East Asian. That's a population over-representation of eight times. This is a completely unacceptable display of Asian Supremacy in action. No dolphins or tardigrades, as well. How the hell is their model going to "understand the universe" without dolphins in charge of racking the H100s? Without a rainbow coalition of employees, the embedding tokenizer for this company will look something like this: embed_tok("give me a recipe for the best Italian Cannoli") -> [71822, 3, 915, 74, 162, NULL, NULL] Shameful.

fassssst 3y ago

That was my first thought too. That’s a lot of dudes!

3cats-in-a-coat 3y ago

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systemvoltage 3y ago
Haha, just read all the comments here to get an idea of intellectual diversity.
saagarjha 3y ago
Posting flamebait and then editing your post to goad people into downvoting it for being flamebait so you can cry about Hacker News trying to silence you is intellectually dishonest.
- 3cats-in-a-coat 3y ago
  I was downvoted first, and then edited it. Way I see it, what I responded to is flamebait, and what I said it common sense. I think it says a lot you're trying to spin it the other way around. No, no one wants to get his comment downvoted and cry about it. That's an assinine misrepresentation. But what could I expect from the permanently offended brigade.
  - saagarjha 3y ago
    Seems pretty familiar to me. First you post something that you want to say and hope people agree with it. They don't, so you then put something on the end like "the woke liberals disagree with this". Obviously this just makes everyone upset, both the actual woke liberals and people who are not woke liberals but don't care for this kind of drivel, and they downvote you even harder. Then you can point at your comment and now go "I was going to speak something profound but the woke liberals brigaded it. Obviously it would be upvoted if they didn't come here and target me!"
    - 3cats-in-a-coat 3y ago
      I'm from Europe, and I neither think in terms of "woke liberals" nor "rightwing conservatives". I speak what's common sense, and of course I notice afterwards what seems obvious in retrospect: certain topics are highly politicized, leading to atypical score (you'll notice I almost have no negative score on my comments). And yes this makes an impression on me, am I allowed to notice or not?

bezout 3y ago

It’s basically all dudes that jumped from FAANG to FAANG. Impressive but I would expect to see biologists, neuroscientists, physicists, psychologists etc

3cats-in-a-coat 3y ago
That's a very romanticized Michael Crichton experts-of-various-fields-get-together-to-solve-a-problem like scenario, but in reality, when you're an AI company and you have 12 people, you kinda need them to handle the AI basics first. Say, we can hire a philosopher to ponder what a true apple should taste like, but you better hire first farmers with experience in growing apples.

oh_sigh 3y ago

I see people from Britain, Germany, Hungary, Canada, China, and America.

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numbers_guy 3y ago

What do you want Musk to do? Visit every university in the US and Europe to poach off the top women in AI, so that he could have a mixed team? Would that actually be good for the world? Those poor uni AI departments worked really hard to find a woman to hire and then Musk comes along and poaches her off. And then somehow that would be better, because?

civilitty 3y ago
Let's keep Elon away from college women, for all our sakes. The last thing we need is a very public mid-life crisis sex cult.
janalsncm 3y ago
Musk is pretty toxic at this point I’m guessing the appeal of working for him as a woman is somewhere between challenge trials for cholera and becoming a live crash test dummy.

wyager 3y ago

What makes you say that? The history of physics (our most successful endeavor in this direction) is very monocultural (by the standard of granularity you are using).

jimlongton 3y ago
Science was once the domain of Catholic monks and wealthy gentry because they were the few literate people with access to books. Monoculture is not a sign of merit.
- throwoutway 3y ago
  > Monoculture is not a sign of merit. This is a weird position to take in absolutes. There are single gender schools in the UK, and I'm sure if you spent some significant time with those boys or girls, you would recognize some have more merit than their peers.

ToValueFunfetti 3y ago

I'm all for diversity for diversity's sake, but I find this to be a very strange position. What difference between men and women are you proposing that allows one or both to have unique insights into the nature of the universe? It seems like everything I know about the fundamental universe does come from a dozen or so dudes (for historical reasons rather than competency, of course), like Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, Bacon, Newton, Darwin, Einstein, Turing, and von Neumann. I fully believe that women could have solved the same problems, it just doesn't make sense to me to say that men can't, considering that they already have.

caeril 3y ago

This is terrible. No Italian people, either. Moreover, it's important to note that five of them are East Asian. That's a population over-representation of eight times. This is a completely unacceptable display of Asian Supremacy in action. No dolphins or tardigrades, as well. How the hell is their model going to "understand the universe" without dolphins in charge of racking the H100s? Without a rainbow coalition of employees, the embedding tokenizer for this company will look something like this: embed_tok("give me a recipe for the best Italian Cannoli") -> [71822, 3, 915, 74, 162, NULL, NULL] Shameful.