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It's also an extraordinary expectation that your friends will use the messaging system you dictate.

rglullis 3y ago
If I tell a friend "I am not going to use WhatsApp. But you can call me, email me, text me, use Signal, use Matrix, knock on my door..." and this friend refuses to keep in touch, who is the one "dictating" the messaging system?
- harshalizee 3y ago
  You. If 20 of your friend's are using Whatsapp to communicate just fine, and you demand they change their mode of communication to suit your needs. I'm starting to see why the trope of techies are anti social is so prevalent. Some of you really are absolutely socially inept.
  - rglullis 3y ago
    I'm not asking them to change their mode of communication with others. I'm just saying that I'm not going to join something that I believe to be harmful out of peer pressure. > Some of you really are absolutely socially inept. So if someone tells you "I'm sorry, I am not available at this channel, can we arrange some other method?" and you refuse to accomodate you take the other as socially inept? It seems like you are projecting. Hard.
  - mdp2021 3y ago
    This is madness, I will say it explicitly, spelt-out. There exist systems which may violate your privacy, and you think that a possible demand to use them from any third party would be "fair", aproblematic?! Good normalcy is that if some acquaintance put as a condition any controversial constraint, such as destructive behaviour ("binge drinking" etc.), irresponsible behaviour, degrading behaviour (that spyware is part of this latter) - the reply is simply "No". And that would be antisocial behaviour, "No, I will not get tattooed (etc.) just because you would like that"?! Children have replaced Men in this world. Edit: oh, and by the way: behaviour that would stick to the framework of proper Society would be «[anti-]social»?!?!?! That is a dire reversal terms, and it shows the (satanic) perversity these """societies""" have reached.
__MatrixMan__ 3y ago
That sort of depends on your threat model. Are you making some ideological stand, or are you protecting yourself from harassment by the authorities? It's not so weird to expect that your friends will acquiesce to your demand that they wear a seatbelt in your car, for instance.
boondoggle16 3y ago
you are an extraordinary man
oblio 3y ago
Your friends dictate, many times subconsciously, much more important things that you do such as the clothes you wear or where you go on holiday. But hey, I draw a line in the sand at the instant messenger! :-)))
- mdp2021 3y ago
  > more important things And your reply remains "No", right?
Aeolun 3y ago
I have no control over what they do. If they’re so attached to using whatsapp that they’d stop being friends with me rather than use signal, the friendship wasn’t worth a lot in the first place.
mdp2021 3y ago
I hope you do not have the expectation that in order to contact """friends""" one would ever adopt bestial behaviour. It takes a beast to act like a beast. Everybody will live according to nature. Your post seems to be assumptions loaded. It sounds as if you were accusing strawmen of expecting people to behave rationally, wisely etc. That image has been superseded even in the theoretical grounds in which it had been used historically as a premise (e.g. Economics).

If I tell a friend "I am not going to use WhatsApp. But you can call me, email me, text me, use Signal, use Matrix, knock on my door..." and this friend refuses to keep in touch, who is the one "dictating" the messaging system?

harshalizee 3y ago
You. If 20 of your friend's are using Whatsapp to communicate just fine, and you demand they change their mode of communication to suit your needs. I'm starting to see why the trope of techies are anti social is so prevalent. Some of you really are absolutely socially inept.
- rglullis 3y ago
  I'm not asking them to change their mode of communication with others. I'm just saying that I'm not going to join something that I believe to be harmful out of peer pressure. > Some of you really are absolutely socially inept. So if someone tells you "I'm sorry, I am not available at this channel, can we arrange some other method?" and you refuse to accomodate you take the other as socially inept? It seems like you are projecting. Hard.
- mdp2021 3y ago
  This is madness, I will say it explicitly, spelt-out. There exist systems which may violate your privacy, and you think that a possible demand to use them from any third party would be "fair", aproblematic?! Good normalcy is that if some acquaintance put as a condition any controversial constraint, such as destructive behaviour ("binge drinking" etc.), irresponsible behaviour, degrading behaviour (that spyware is part of this latter) - the reply is simply "No". And that would be antisocial behaviour, "No, I will not get tattooed (etc.) just because you would like that"?! Children have replaced Men in this world. Edit: oh, and by the way: behaviour that would stick to the framework of proper Society would be «[anti-]social»?!?!?! That is a dire reversal terms, and it shows the (satanic) perversity these """societies""" have reached.

__MatrixMan__ 3y ago

That sort of depends on your threat model. Are you making some ideological stand, or are you protecting yourself from harassment by the authorities? It's not so weird to expect that your friends will acquiesce to your demand that they wear a seatbelt in your car, for instance.

boondoggle16 3y ago

you are an extraordinary man

oblio 3y ago

Your friends dictate, many times subconsciously, much more important things that you do such as the clothes you wear or where you go on holiday. But hey, I draw a line in the sand at the instant messenger! :-)))

mdp2021 3y ago
> more important things And your reply remains "No", right?

Aeolun 3y ago

I have no control over what they do. If they’re so attached to using whatsapp that they’d stop being friends with me rather than use signal, the friendship wasn’t worth a lot in the first place.

mdp2021 3y ago

I hope you do not have the expectation that in order to contact """friends""" one would ever adopt bestial behaviour. It takes a beast to act like a beast. Everybody will live according to nature. Your post seems to be assumptions loaded. It sounds as if you were accusing strawmen of expecting people to behave rationally, wisely etc. That image has been superseded even in the theoretical grounds in which it had been used historically as a premise (e.g. Economics).