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What an article about nothing. Sommeliers always do blind tastings. Taste and texture descriptors are extremely well understood. Expert winemakers can tell you

What an article about nothing. Sommeliers always do blind tastings. Taste and texture descriptors are extremely well understood. Expert winemakers can tell you a lot about the qualities of grapes, climate, and process through blind taste. This meme that wine is fake really needs to stop. You have no reason to care even one iota about subtleties of expensive wine, but you really don’t need much training to tell good wine from bad wine.

tekla 3y ago
Can you provide experimental data?
- OJFord 3y ago
  GP doesn't need to, as they said sommelier exams examine on blind tasting. To a level of detail far greater than I could tell you about (though that's largely training I suppose). If someone can't tell that's fine, they can buy whatever they want, but some people can. (And I don't think many people just start buying expensive wine without ever trying cheaper, surely most start quite cheap, develop a taste for it, and work up to some subjective level of diminishing returns and not wanting to pay more.)
- Daishiman 3y ago
  You can go look up what somms study for wine tasting, look at any national or international contest for blind tastings of wine/beer/coffee/spirits, or get a book on winemaking that shows how each descriptor corresponds to specific chemicals that are part of the winemaking process. There's no need for "experimental" data on an entire field whose current foundation is the state of the art in food science and biochemistry.
  - MagicMoonlight 3y ago
    “You can trust us bro, the earth is flat. We have an entire church system with thousands of scholars and you’re saying they’re wrong?!?” Hmmmmmmm
    - Daishiman 3y ago
      Nobody's asking you to trust anything; you can just take some few minutes to read. It's not my responsibility to show you how to Google; you're just being willfully ignorant.
      - pie420 3y ago
        https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2013/jun/23/wine-tasting-junk-science-analysis https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2013/jun/23/wine-ta... All of the peer reviewed articles linked suggest that "wine tasting experts" can't differentiate or produce any sort of reliable results, or detect flavors consistently.
        dllthomas 3y ago
        Except that's not what the article says, and it explicitly notes some of the scientifically identified chemicals involved in producing certain flavors. "Scores aren't meaningful, past a certain baseline" seems pretty well supported. "Context plays a statistically discernable role in our perception of taste" seems pretty well supported. "Wine experts can't tell any wine from any other" is nonsense and while that's an exaggeration it does seem like you're treading closer to that position than can be supported.
cubefox 3y ago
> but you really don’t need much training to tell good wine from bad wine. The studies in the article suggest otherwise.

tekla 3y ago

Can you provide experimental data?

OJFord 3y ago
GP doesn't need to, as they said sommelier exams examine on blind tasting. To a level of detail far greater than I could tell you about (though that's largely training I suppose). If someone can't tell that's fine, they can buy whatever they want, but some people can. (And I don't think many people just start buying expensive wine without ever trying cheaper, surely most start quite cheap, develop a taste for it, and work up to some subjective level of diminishing returns and not wanting to pay more.)
Daishiman 3y ago
You can go look up what somms study for wine tasting, look at any national or international contest for blind tastings of wine/beer/coffee/spirits, or get a book on winemaking that shows how each descriptor corresponds to specific chemicals that are part of the winemaking process. There's no need for "experimental" data on an entire field whose current foundation is the state of the art in food science and biochemistry.
- MagicMoonlight 3y ago
  “You can trust us bro, the earth is flat. We have an entire church system with thousands of scholars and you’re saying they’re wrong?!?” Hmmmmmmm
  - Daishiman 3y ago
    Nobody's asking you to trust anything; you can just take some few minutes to read. It's not my responsibility to show you how to Google; you're just being willfully ignorant.
    - pie420 3y ago
      https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2013/jun/23/wine-tasting-junk-science-analysis https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2013/jun/23/wine-ta... All of the peer reviewed articles linked suggest that "wine tasting experts" can't differentiate or produce any sort of reliable results, or detect flavors consistently.
      - dllthomas 3y ago
        Except that's not what the article says, and it explicitly notes some of the scientifically identified chemicals involved in producing certain flavors. "Scores aren't meaningful, past a certain baseline" seems pretty well supported. "Context plays a statistically discernable role in our perception of taste" seems pretty well supported. "Wine experts can't tell any wine from any other" is nonsense and while that's an exaggeration it does seem like you're treading closer to that position than can be supported.

cubefox 3y ago

> but you really don’t need much training to tell good wine from bad wine. The studies in the article suggest otherwise.