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Business always strives to optimize but while I stand here waiting for the bus I have to witness 5 different package carries battle it out on the tiny road wher

Business always strives to optimize but while I stand here waiting for the bus I have to witness 5 different package carries battle it out on the tiny road where I live. Can't get more inefficient than that. What's next? Privatization of trash? I have actually seen this with recyclable trash, several companies with different colored trash bags that pick up on different days littering the street. I'm glad some towns have already banned this. Worst part is that they let people mix all recyclables in one bag and then sort at the facilities adding another huge inifficiency. This is a huge eyesore in Switzerland where people will give you the "stare" if you through shit in the wrong bin.

jacquesm 3y ago
Privatization of trash collection is already a thing in many places.
- magicalhippo 3y ago
  Here in Oslo they privatized trash collection. The contract period was up and the new winner had won because massively cheaper price. Turned out the winner was massively cheaper because they had massively underestimated the work required. Trash piled up for weeks while the new trash collectors worked illegal amounts of overtime trying to get rid of it. Now, this switch had happened just before local elections, which the right-winged parties who'd been in control soundly lost. The new left-winged leadership ended up canceling the contract and bringing the service back in public hands.
  - sschueller 3y ago
    Why do we have to relearn this over and over and over? It's such a waste of money which the right should be the ones complaining about. Unregulated privatization does not work because privatization means optimize to the max which includes cutting corners in labor laws to the health the citizens.
    - pbhjpbhj 3y ago
      We don't. The right-wing know that ultimately this methodology is poor for provision of necessary services, they can still take money from the tax-payer using it and that is their goal. Do more direct democracies have this problem? There are several things in the UK that have been clear attacks on our democracy that it feels could have been avoided if it were possible to force a national vote on them. Proroging parliament. Neutering parliamentary standards. Tory party members solely being allowed to choose succession for multiple PMs. And so on ... Allowing water companies to pay bonuses and dividends whilst putting up rates and pumping effluent into our rivers at massively increased rates ... a national vote would allow an opposition party to put a solution to stop that to the populous and it could be fixed, somewhat. Although, with the levels of deceit and manipulation, just flat out immorality, the Tories have practiced in recent years maybe they could get the public to vote for more profits for shareholders and more shit pumped into the rivers. I despair.
rolisz 3y ago
Privatization of trash collection has already happened in large parts of Romania. Sometimes the results are good, sometimes bad, but it's always much more expensive.
- katbyte 3y ago
  Privatization nearly almost always is more expensive because there is the inherent profit/return on investment that doesn’t exist in public infrastructure

jacquesm 3y ago

Privatization of trash collection is already a thing in many places.

magicalhippo 3y ago
Here in Oslo they privatized trash collection. The contract period was up and the new winner had won because massively cheaper price. Turned out the winner was massively cheaper because they had massively underestimated the work required. Trash piled up for weeks while the new trash collectors worked illegal amounts of overtime trying to get rid of it. Now, this switch had happened just before local elections, which the right-winged parties who'd been in control soundly lost. The new left-winged leadership ended up canceling the contract and bringing the service back in public hands.
- sschueller 3y ago
  Why do we have to relearn this over and over and over? It's such a waste of money which the right should be the ones complaining about. Unregulated privatization does not work because privatization means optimize to the max which includes cutting corners in labor laws to the health the citizens.
  - pbhjpbhj 3y ago
    We don't. The right-wing know that ultimately this methodology is poor for provision of necessary services, they can still take money from the tax-payer using it and that is their goal. Do more direct democracies have this problem? There are several things in the UK that have been clear attacks on our democracy that it feels could have been avoided if it were possible to force a national vote on them. Proroging parliament. Neutering parliamentary standards. Tory party members solely being allowed to choose succession for multiple PMs. And so on ... Allowing water companies to pay bonuses and dividends whilst putting up rates and pumping effluent into our rivers at massively increased rates ... a national vote would allow an opposition party to put a solution to stop that to the populous and it could be fixed, somewhat. Although, with the levels of deceit and manipulation, just flat out immorality, the Tories have practiced in recent years maybe they could get the public to vote for more profits for shareholders and more shit pumped into the rivers. I despair.

rolisz 3y ago

Privatization of trash collection has already happened in large parts of Romania. Sometimes the results are good, sometimes bad, but it's always much more expensive.

katbyte 3y ago
Privatization nearly almost always is more expensive because there is the inherent profit/return on investment that doesn’t exist in public infrastructure