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Clever idea. They will gradually lure users their way.

pipo234 3y ago
For some reason SUSE hasn't received a lot of attention even though they have been waving their flag long before the Red-Hat — CentOS brouhaha.
- gtirloni 3y ago
  Back in the old RH Linux days, I remember SUSE had as much market share as Red Hat. It was actually the distro that people suggested I should use because it was more polished. But SUSE was bought and sold a few times to shady companies, wasn't it? My memory is blurry but this might explain why people don't immediately think of it.
  - rascul 3y ago
    SUSE lost a lot of love back in the day when Novell (then owner of SUSE) did some stuff with MS. https://www.wired.com/2008/08/microsoft-novell-extend-controversial-partnership/ https://www.wired.com/2008/08/microsoft-novell-extend-contro...
gigatexal 3y ago
Lol no. This is a wholly disingeneous move. "[SuSe] ... announced it is forking publicly available Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL) and will develop and maintain a RHEL-compatible distribution available to all without restrictions." How will they confirm that their fork is compatible? Probably using RedHat supplied UBI docker/container images. So they're just becoming another add-no-value clone. Wow, give whoever came up with this idea a nobel peace prize. Instead they could focus on their own offerings which add value/different value propositions than just being a clone of RHEL. I can't believe folks would be okay with companies coming in and undercutting your validation work -- even if you see RHEL as anachronistic and obsolete in teh world of containers and such it still has value for some folks for its RHEL-ness -- and then coming in and selling clones undercutting support and other licensing/revenue streams to pay for the QA/R&D/devel, etc.
- piaste 3y ago
  Well, nobody's stopping IBM from retaliating by offering a SUSE clone :)
  - gigatexal 3y ago
    Funny but how does that help the community or businesses adopt Linux really?
    - diffeomorphism 3y ago
      Is that a trick question? Multiple suppliers of binary compatible releases; no fragmentation whatsoever, just more supply. How could that not help?
- pgeorgi 3y ago
  > How will they confirm that they're fork is compatible? The only thing they need to ensure right now is that their stable release remains compatible to existing RHEL. Everything needed for that is around. Going forward, maybe "RHEL v+1 compatible" doesn't even matter anymore (to quote that press release: "CIQ is thrilled to collaborate with SUSE on advancing an open enterprise Linux standard.") RHEL became the defacto "Enterprise Linux" because everybody willingly handed them the control over the direction Enterprise Linux takes (including, but not limited to, by merely repackaging their work). As long as that new community system (Rocky intends to work with SUSE according to that article) remains RHEL9.2 compatible, they might be able to force IBM to adopt the community's idea of an Enterprise Linux for future RHEL releases. Keeping some "RHEL9.2 mode" around indefinitely (next to a further developed platform for contemporary workloads) is relatively simple with containers and the like. IBM might have just killed the one thing that kept RedHat dominant in that space: the goodwill of nearly everybody else to let RedHat lead and not rock the boat too much themselves.
  - gigatexal 3y ago
    I’m not saying it’s the best business model just saying that all these companies are undercutting RedHat out of spite/business. Oh well. RedHat should take this opportunity to pivot and do something else. Holding on to licensing is dying especially in the world of clones.

For some reason SUSE hasn't received a lot of attention even though they have been waving their flag long before the Red-Hat — CentOS brouhaha.

gtirloni 3y ago
Back in the old RH Linux days, I remember SUSE had as much market share as Red Hat. It was actually the distro that people suggested I should use because it was more polished. But SUSE was bought and sold a few times to shady companies, wasn't it? My memory is blurry but this might explain why people don't immediately think of it.
- rascul 3y ago
  SUSE lost a lot of love back in the day when Novell (then owner of SUSE) did some stuff with MS. https://www.wired.com/2008/08/microsoft-novell-extend-controversial-partnership/ https://www.wired.com/2008/08/microsoft-novell-extend-contro...

gigatexal 3y ago

Lol no. This is a wholly disingeneous move. "[SuSe] ... announced it is forking publicly available Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL) and will develop and maintain a RHEL-compatible distribution available to all without restrictions." How will they confirm that their fork is compatible? Probably using RedHat supplied UBI docker/container images. So they're just becoming another add-no-value clone. Wow, give whoever came up with this idea a nobel peace prize. Instead they could focus on their own offerings which add value/different value propositions than just being a clone of RHEL. I can't believe folks would be okay with companies coming in and undercutting your validation work -- even if you see RHEL as anachronistic and obsolete in teh world of containers and such it still has value for some folks for its RHEL-ness -- and then coming in and selling clones undercutting support and other licensing/revenue streams to pay for the QA/R&D/devel, etc.

piaste 3y ago
Well, nobody's stopping IBM from retaliating by offering a SUSE clone :)
- gigatexal 3y ago
  Funny but how does that help the community or businesses adopt Linux really?
  - diffeomorphism 3y ago
    Is that a trick question? Multiple suppliers of binary compatible releases; no fragmentation whatsoever, just more supply. How could that not help?
pgeorgi 3y ago
> How will they confirm that they're fork is compatible? The only thing they need to ensure right now is that their stable release remains compatible to existing RHEL. Everything needed for that is around. Going forward, maybe "RHEL v+1 compatible" doesn't even matter anymore (to quote that press release: "CIQ is thrilled to collaborate with SUSE on advancing an open enterprise Linux standard.") RHEL became the defacto "Enterprise Linux" because everybody willingly handed them the control over the direction Enterprise Linux takes (including, but not limited to, by merely repackaging their work). As long as that new community system (Rocky intends to work with SUSE according to that article) remains RHEL9.2 compatible, they might be able to force IBM to adopt the community's idea of an Enterprise Linux for future RHEL releases. Keeping some "RHEL9.2 mode" around indefinitely (next to a further developed platform for contemporary workloads) is relatively simple with containers and the like. IBM might have just killed the one thing that kept RedHat dominant in that space: the goodwill of nearly everybody else to let RedHat lead and not rock the boat too much themselves.
- gigatexal 3y ago
  I’m not saying it’s the best business model just saying that all these companies are undercutting RedHat out of spite/business. Oh well. RedHat should take this opportunity to pivot and do something else. Holding on to licensing is dying especially in the world of clones.