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Are the Americans Awake?

97 points by spacebuffer 3y ago

defparam 3y ago
I'm happy they thought it was important to address why this information is useful (at least to them), only to then not address it at all.
- BizarreByte 3y ago
  It is generally accepted discussion forums are more tolerable when Americans are asleep, but they probably didn't want to outright state this for obvious reasons. I'm not taking a stance on this one way or another, but using the context of Reddit? Yah, that's the unspoken part.
  - procgen 3y ago
    > It is generally accepted Is it, though?
gexahaha 3y ago
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hospitalJail 3y ago
Meanwhile Americans have no equivalent website for 'Are Europeans asleep yet?" Because they don't care.
- quickthrower2 3y ago
  They do! They can hide their cookie banners and not get caught.
- mrweasel 3y ago
  Scheduling meetings with Americans tend to get a little worse than expected, because they apparently think 9 - 17:00 is when you should be working, and not 8 - 16:00. So rather than having an afternoon meeting, you get to have a late afternoon meeting. I think I can find more people in Denmark working 7 - 15:00 compared to 9 - 17:00.
  - 13of40 3y ago
    West Coast American here. Since I have to work with so many people from Europe, Israel, India, etc., my calendar looks like an impacted colon from about 8:00 AM PST to 11:00 AM PST, then I have all this free time after that to do "work". The problem is that erases things like "I'm going to hit the gym in the morning" and "I'm going to get this document polished up before the first meeting of the day". And when 11:00 finally rolls around, I already have decision fatigue and have burned up the most useful of my braincells for the day, so everything else suffers. This is absolutely not to say "Europe Bad", it's just a lament that as a diurnal species, time zone issues suck.
    - mrweasel 3y ago
      No no I can absolutely relate, it works the same the other way around. Once that 18:00 meeting rolls in my head is done, but it frequently becomes a question of whether or not I'm mildly inconvenienced in the late afternoon, early evening, or if my American colleagues are massively inconvenienced in the morning. In that case it's normally better that I just jump on that meeting from home.
- nonethewiser 3y ago
  It's the same questions. Europeans rise when the American's do so they can be online at the same time.
- ReptileMan 3y ago
  My phone has that weird habit of going into silent mode in the night.
DeathArrow 3y ago
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- littlestymaar 3y ago
  Putin says so.
- nonethewiser 3y ago
  Some are, some aren't.
- falcolas 3y ago
  Define woke.
birdman3131 3y ago
I feel that most are awake earlier than 8am. I sure don't want to be but jobs tend to force you up before then.
- MisterTea 3y ago
  I agree that waking up early is annoying - I was a late riser myself preferring to wake up as late as 10/11AM when younger. After taking a job that required me to wake up at 5:30 in the morning I got used to waking early and started to enjoy it. The part that was beneficial was waking up on my own at 6:30-7AM on the weekends without an alarm and witnessing the quiet sun rise with birds chirping - it's very invigorating. Paired with some light morning exercise it has become a natural antidepressant for me. Now If I wake up past 8AM I feel like I wasted quality morning time.
- mysterydip 3y ago
  Maybe it would be useful to use a bell curve for the population of a given time zone between say 5am and 11am, with the max around 8am. This would cover late sleepers and early risers (and people like myself who had to travel from one timezone to another for work and haven't adjusted).
- zokier 3y ago
  Maybe most of people having regular office hours. But between retirees, unemployed, shift-work, small kids, stay-at-home parents, and other irregular hour lives its probably difficult to say when most people are awake
  - WeylandYutani 3y ago
    Since the invention of the lightbulb and most people no longer working in agriculture the sun has lost its place in society. Our schedules have changed. I'm old enough to remember when supermarktets closed at 6 because women didn't have jobs.
arsome 3y ago
"8AM to 12 PM" think you mean 12 AM unless you go to bed at lunch :)
- b3orn 3y ago
  If it's meant for Europeans just use 24h time. 00:00 to 8:00.
  - littlestymaar 3y ago
    If you're awake from 00:00 to 8:00, you're probably a vampire ;)
    - capableweb 3y ago
      Also known as "being on night call"
      - littlestymaar 3y ago
        Even then, you don't usually sleep 16 hours a day…
  - wongarsu 3y ago
    * 8:00 to 24:00 (or 8:00 to 0:00)
    - dylan604 3y ago
      There is no 24:00. It goes from 23:59 to 00:00
      - wongarsu 3y ago
        Of course there is. Just because it doesn't appear on common clocks doesn't mean it isn't a valid time. To quote page 15 of ISO 8601:2004 (the newest version available on libgen): > hour is represented by two digits from [00] to [24]. The representation of the hour by [24] is only allowed to indicate the end of a calendar day And Page 17: > NOTE 1 Midnight will normally be represented as [00:00] or [24:00]. > NOTE 2 The end of one calendar day [24:00] coincides with [00:00] at the start of the next calendar day, e.g. [24:00] on 12 April 1985 is the same as [00:00] on 13 April 1985. If there is no association with a date or a time interval both a) and b) represent the same local time in the 24-hour timekeeping system. > NOTE 3 The choice of representation a) or b) will depend upon any association with a date, or a time interval. Representations where [hh] has the value [24] are only preferred to represent the end of a time interval in accordance with 4.4 or recurring time interval in accordance with 4.5
rhaway84773 3y ago
> you are getting at least 8 hours of sleep, right? Lol. No.
pluijzer 3y ago
This site takes into account that Americans get there 8 hours of sleep though some quick googling revealed that the average American only gets 7 hours and 13 minutes of sleep. Just want to preach to those not getting there 8 hours, getting enough sleep really gives an enormous boost to mood, creativity, productivity and health. Give it a try :-)
- onetokeoverthe 3y ago
  Their 8 hours...
- friendlyHornet 3y ago
  I recently started sleeping more and the changes in my life have been unbelievable I am - procrastinating less - having less headaches - coming up with more creative solutions at work - being more attentive and present in social interactions - ACTUALLY FEELING HAPPY AGAIN I don't know how much of this is placebo, but ever since the corona lockdown started here in Germany, my sleep has been completely messed up. For the last two years, I felt like a zombie, like I was kinda living my life but not really there. I came to a point where I said to myself "I can't remember the last time I was actually happy or enjoyed anything". So I've been trying to take better care of my health and fitness overall, and sleeping better is one of the thibgs I started doing
  - tiborsaas 3y ago
    I've found that no matter how much I sleep it doesn't affect what people usually report. Last night I was lucky if I had 5 and with 8h+ I feel the same, I do the same.
    - bayindirh 3y ago
      8+ might be too much for you. My sweet spot is around ~7 hours. Less than 6.5 and more than 8 makes me feel the same, but if I manage to sleep around 7, it's completely a different story.
      - 3y ago
Roark66 3y ago
I found Google extremely useful for timezone info. You can write something like "what time is it in Detroit, USA When it's 1pm in Sydney, Australia", or "what time is it now in Baghdad" and it will give you the correct answer. No need to be counting hours etc. As for "are they awake". I'm not sure it is as useful as "are they off work now"?
michaelt 3y ago
> I consider awake to mean from 8AM to 12PM, you are getting at least 8 hours of sleep, right? I've seen IRC bots that monitor people's activity to guess at their availability/timezones. After all, nobody would be on social media during work hours - right? :)
manojlds 3y ago
I was so confused with the 8am to 12pm. You mean 8am to 12am :)
javier_e06 3y ago
A more refined website would ask: Is the US East Coast Awake? Is the US West Coast awake? An even more refined website would ask: Is it East Coast Rush hour now? Is it West Coast Rush hour now?
JulesRosser 3y ago
Legitimately useful. As someone working remotely I'm always wary of waking US colleagues up with my unimportant notifications. I'd definitely use a '% of team members online' Slackbot
- pc86 3y ago
  If you have notifications configured in a way that wakes you up, that's your fault.
- peanuty1 3y ago
  Slack lets you mute notifications.
  - stronglikedan 3y ago
    > I'm always wary of waking US colleagues up with my unimportant notifications Some notifications are important.
nonethewiser 3y ago
The website claims Reddit is banned in some European countries. Which countries?
- Fernicia 3y ago
  He means Threads, which is not released outside the UK
- 0xDEF 3y ago
  Not reddit. Threads has chosen not to expand to Europe until they have found out how the "import all your data from Instagram" stuff holds up in court.
koprulusector 3y ago
Shouldn’t he have said “awake from 08:00 to 23:59 or 00:00,” instead of “08:00 AM to 12:00 PM?”
- Symbiote 3y ago
  It's also not unusual to write 24:00 when that's the end time for something.
delecti 3y ago
I'm perplexed at the implication that we "decided" to have the number of time zones that we do, rather than just acknowledging the reality that the US is a fairly big country. It's cheating a bit with Alaska in the picture, but the US spans about twice the degrees of longitude as Europe, and it would still be solidly "wider" even if you limit to the lower 48 states.
- RegnisGnaw 3y ago
  It is "decided" which is correct. With 24 hours a day and 360 degrees of longitude, it should be simply 15 degrees per hour. The number of time zone that a country has is a political choice, perhaps based on geography somewhat. The size of each time zone is also variable depending on the choice the government makes. * Look at China for example, one time zone. * India is the same with one time zone. * Mountain Time Zone in Canada actually stretches across 4 time zones (-9, -8, -7, -6) * The Pacific Time Zone in Canada actually stretches across 2 time zones (-8, -9) * Newfoundland in Canada should be geographically in the -4 time zone, but it choose to do -3.5 instead. If that's the proper value, then I'd argue Maine should be in -4.5 instead of -5. * France should be in the UTC time zone with a tiny slice in the +1 time zone. In reality it is in the +1 time zone. * Heck, why does time zones go from UTC-12 to UTC+14? What's with the values above UTC+12? See: https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-0eb6e2b279845c866f90357551ab7b2a https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-0eb6e2b279845c866f903...
  - cvoss 3y ago
    And there's also the decision to use hour-aligned timezones. Why not half hours? Why not two hours? It's very much a conscious decision.
    - throwaway09223 3y ago
      Why have time zones at all, and not simply recognize that day and night occur at different times in different places? This part wasn't a conscious decision, because the reference frame of time and orbital mechanics were discovered long after the practice of timekeeping. We may have a similar problem on a galactic scale some day.
nntwozz 3y ago
My doctor said I should sleep until I feel rested, there is no arbitrary number.
- throw1234651234 3y ago
  Doctors say a lot of stupid stuff like "cartilage can't be repaired, it doesn't matter how much sugar you eat for tooth health, lifting weights is bad", etc. The number is 7-9 hours. The funny thing is that if you get 5 regularly, you won't feel tired, you will just be slow, sick a lot, and unable to put on muscle mass.
  - ghostpepper 3y ago
    Speak for yourself - when I get less than 6 hours for more than a few days in a row I am very tired by about 3PM.
    - throw1234651234 3y ago
      I would argue that if you keep that up for a couple of weeks, you will be slow and have all the aforementioned issues, but you won't notice that you are sleep deprived anymore.
sandworm101 3y ago
>> I consider awake to mean from 8AM to 12AM, you are getting at least 8 hours of sleep, right? Must be nice to be a millionaire who works from home then stays up late every night. Is this Charlie sheen's jingle-writing character from 2 1/2 men? The rest of the working population gets up long before 8am. Work starts at 8am. School starts at 8am. Most people I know, at least those with jobs/kids, set their alarms for 6am. If I were to guess, the working population of the US will generally be awake between 6am and 11pm. Or come join the military. 0400 is a very common alarm time. I'm at my desk by 0515 most mornings.
- sjm 3y ago
  Not the millionaire part, but yeah it is nice. I work to live, not live to work, and your military job sounds horrible, so I'll pass :)
  - sandworm101 3y ago
    Anyone who cannot tolerate getting up a little early is definitely not what the modern military is looking for. But some of us can make that sacrifice in exchange for going home early, taking proper lunch breaks, and getting paid for time spent at the gym. We hand a unit "sports" day last week. Half of my guys chose to go fishing. And, because it is summer, we have an unofficial "stand down" every other week. And good luck finding anyone still at work after noon on friday. Total hours at work is probably far less overall than the majority of civilian jobs.
    - arolihas 3y ago
      This isn't a high school, you don't need to try to recruit here :)
    - dreday 3y ago
      Sure but you have to fight made up wars to keep the rich rich and risk your life in the process.
- DiscourseFan 3y ago
ChrisArchitect 3y ago
Why does this mention Threads of all things.... a week in we're worried about when to post on Threads? Site is DOA without any network effects from hashtags or whatever....
- some_random 3y ago
  I find it kind of strange to call Threads DOA, especially from lack of hashtags which haven't been relevant on Twitter for years.
  - ChrisArchitect 3y ago
    Hashtags coupled with the algorithm are super important to network effects and getting tweets out there beyond just your followers. Connecting community beyond just some follows is important to network spread and also discoverability. Threads has no discoverability. And endless crap/unrelated accounts being forced on you with no clear way to say you're not interested in them? (why would Mute be the solution to that?) It's DOA. Fastest growing means little when the accounts were already there.
    - some_random 3y ago
      >And endless crap/unrelated accounts being forced on you with no clear way to say you're not interested in them? (why would Mute be the solution to that?) This is how discoverability is down now. Hashtags have been a huge red flag on twitter for years.
- sassifrass 3y ago
  I’m not a Meta fan by any stretch, but calling one of the fastest growing products in human history [1] DOA seems a bit disingenuous, or at least premature. [1] https://www.reuters.com/technology/metas-twitter-rival-threads-hits-100-mln-users-record-five-days-2023-07-10/ https://www.reuters.com/technology/metas-twitter-rival-threa...
msla 3y ago
> given that the USA decided that having 4, 9 or 11 timezones — depending on how you count — was completely manageble on their end Europe has four time zones, same as the Lower 48, if you ignore overseas territories, overseas collectivities, and whatever other remains of the various European empires. Besides, the alternative is to pull a Mainland China, which spread one time zone across enough land to need four or five of them.
awhow 3y ago
Betteridge's law?
morelisp 3y ago
The mass of men serve the state thus, not as men mainly, but as machines, with their bodies. They are the standing army, and the militia, jailors, constables, possee comitatus, etc. In most cases there is no free exercise whatever of the judgment or of the moral sense; but they put themselves on a level with wood and earth and stones; and wooden men can perhaps be manufactured that will serve the purpose as well. Such command no more respect than men of straw or a lump of dirt. They have the same sort of worth only as horses and dogs. Yet such as these even are commonly esteemed good citizens. Others--as most legislators, politicians, lawyers, ministers, and officeholders--serve the state chiefly with their heads; and, as they rarely make any moral distinctions, they are as likely to serve the Devil, without intending it, as God. A very few, as heroes, patriots, martyrs, reformers in the great sense, and men, serve the state with their consciences also, and so necessarily resist it for the most part; and they are commonly treated as enemies by it.
jacobwilliamroy 3y ago
We should have 1 timezone for the entire planet. Having the same time be different times at different spots on earth just makes things more confusing and causes problems. When I coordinate between timezones I don't even use time, I use delta time (for example "The call is happening 22 hours from now").
- dmd 3y ago
  https://qntm.org/abolish https://qntm.org/abolish
  - jacobwilliamroy 3y ago
    This isn't how real people talk. These are bug people from outer space. In real life a normal person would just call and the call would go like: "Hey I was calling for X" "Oh I'm busy now. You should call back around HH:MM" "Okay, I'll do that."
anlsh 3y ago
9am on the west coast and it's still at 54%- pretty sure it's broken
foxyv 3y ago
I've always been a fan of working with Zulu time. I work with people spanning 12 different time zones. If we could all work on GMT or Zulu I would be a lot happier trying to scheduled meetings and deployments. Zero ambiguity, especially considering DST and traveling.
amai 3y ago
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throwawaymobule 3y ago
Love single-purpose sites like this. time.is is in a fairly similar vain, and I use it regularly to see/convey time to people. Usually in the form: '8pm Dallas time' or something like it. Really takes the complication out of DST, especially.
cykros 3y ago
It assumes most Americans go to bed at midnight and wake up at 8. What are we, Spaniards? I've been up since 4:30. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nakty4Qzc1g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nakty4Qzc1g

97 points by spacebuffer 3y ago

I'm happy they thought it was important to address why this information is useful (at least to them), only to then not address it at all.

BizarreByte 3y ago
It is generally accepted discussion forums are more tolerable when Americans are asleep, but they probably didn't want to outright state this for obvious reasons. I'm not taking a stance on this one way or another, but using the context of Reddit? Yah, that's the unspoken part.
- procgen 3y ago
  > It is generally accepted Is it, though?

gexahaha 3y ago

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hospitalJail 3y ago

Meanwhile Americans have no equivalent website for 'Are Europeans asleep yet?" Because they don't care.

quickthrower2 3y ago
They do! They can hide their cookie banners and not get caught.
mrweasel 3y ago
Scheduling meetings with Americans tend to get a little worse than expected, because they apparently think 9 - 17:00 is when you should be working, and not 8 - 16:00. So rather than having an afternoon meeting, you get to have a late afternoon meeting. I think I can find more people in Denmark working 7 - 15:00 compared to 9 - 17:00.
- 13of40 3y ago
  West Coast American here. Since I have to work with so many people from Europe, Israel, India, etc., my calendar looks like an impacted colon from about 8:00 AM PST to 11:00 AM PST, then I have all this free time after that to do "work". The problem is that erases things like "I'm going to hit the gym in the morning" and "I'm going to get this document polished up before the first meeting of the day". And when 11:00 finally rolls around, I already have decision fatigue and have burned up the most useful of my braincells for the day, so everything else suffers. This is absolutely not to say "Europe Bad", it's just a lament that as a diurnal species, time zone issues suck.
  - mrweasel 3y ago
    No no I can absolutely relate, it works the same the other way around. Once that 18:00 meeting rolls in my head is done, but it frequently becomes a question of whether or not I'm mildly inconvenienced in the late afternoon, early evening, or if my American colleagues are massively inconvenienced in the morning. In that case it's normally better that I just jump on that meeting from home.
nonethewiser 3y ago
It's the same questions. Europeans rise when the American's do so they can be online at the same time.
ReptileMan 3y ago
My phone has that weird habit of going into silent mode in the night.

DeathArrow 3y ago

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littlestymaar 3y ago
Putin says so.
nonethewiser 3y ago
Some are, some aren't.
falcolas 3y ago
Define woke.

birdman3131 3y ago

I feel that most are awake earlier than 8am. I sure don't want to be but jobs tend to force you up before then.

MisterTea 3y ago
I agree that waking up early is annoying - I was a late riser myself preferring to wake up as late as 10/11AM when younger. After taking a job that required me to wake up at 5:30 in the morning I got used to waking early and started to enjoy it. The part that was beneficial was waking up on my own at 6:30-7AM on the weekends without an alarm and witnessing the quiet sun rise with birds chirping - it's very invigorating. Paired with some light morning exercise it has become a natural antidepressant for me. Now If I wake up past 8AM I feel like I wasted quality morning time.
mysterydip 3y ago
Maybe it would be useful to use a bell curve for the population of a given time zone between say 5am and 11am, with the max around 8am. This would cover late sleepers and early risers (and people like myself who had to travel from one timezone to another for work and haven't adjusted).
zokier 3y ago
Maybe most of people having regular office hours. But between retirees, unemployed, shift-work, small kids, stay-at-home parents, and other irregular hour lives its probably difficult to say when most people are awake
- WeylandYutani 3y ago
  Since the invention of the lightbulb and most people no longer working in agriculture the sun has lost its place in society. Our schedules have changed. I'm old enough to remember when supermarktets closed at 6 because women didn't have jobs.

arsome 3y ago

"8AM to 12 PM" think you mean 12 AM unless you go to bed at lunch :)

b3orn 3y ago
If it's meant for Europeans just use 24h time. 00:00 to 8:00.
- littlestymaar 3y ago
  If you're awake from 00:00 to 8:00, you're probably a vampire ;)
  - capableweb 3y ago
    Also known as "being on night call"
    - littlestymaar 3y ago
      Even then, you don't usually sleep 16 hours a day…
- wongarsu 3y ago
  * 8:00 to 24:00 (or 8:00 to 0:00)
  - dylan604 3y ago
    There is no 24:00. It goes from 23:59 to 00:00
    - wongarsu 3y ago
      Of course there is. Just because it doesn't appear on common clocks doesn't mean it isn't a valid time. To quote page 15 of ISO 8601:2004 (the newest version available on libgen): > hour is represented by two digits from [00] to [24]. The representation of the hour by [24] is only allowed to indicate the end of a calendar day And Page 17: > NOTE 1 Midnight will normally be represented as [00:00] or [24:00]. > NOTE 2 The end of one calendar day [24:00] coincides with [00:00] at the start of the next calendar day, e.g. [24:00] on 12 April 1985 is the same as [00:00] on 13 April 1985. If there is no association with a date or a time interval both a) and b) represent the same local time in the 24-hour timekeeping system. > NOTE 3 The choice of representation a) or b) will depend upon any association with a date, or a time interval. Representations where [hh] has the value [24] are only preferred to represent the end of a time interval in accordance with 4.4 or recurring time interval in accordance with 4.5

rhaway84773 3y ago

> you are getting at least 8 hours of sleep, right? Lol. No.

pluijzer 3y ago

This site takes into account that Americans get there 8 hours of sleep though some quick googling revealed that the average American only gets 7 hours and 13 minutes of sleep. Just want to preach to those not getting there 8 hours, getting enough sleep really gives an enormous boost to mood, creativity, productivity and health. Give it a try :-)

onetokeoverthe 3y ago
Their 8 hours...
friendlyHornet 3y ago
I recently started sleeping more and the changes in my life have been unbelievable I am - procrastinating less - having less headaches - coming up with more creative solutions at work - being more attentive and present in social interactions - ACTUALLY FEELING HAPPY AGAIN I don't know how much of this is placebo, but ever since the corona lockdown started here in Germany, my sleep has been completely messed up. For the last two years, I felt like a zombie, like I was kinda living my life but not really there. I came to a point where I said to myself "I can't remember the last time I was actually happy or enjoyed anything". So I've been trying to take better care of my health and fitness overall, and sleeping better is one of the thibgs I started doing
- tiborsaas 3y ago
  I've found that no matter how much I sleep it doesn't affect what people usually report. Last night I was lucky if I had 5 and with 8h+ I feel the same, I do the same.
  - bayindirh 3y ago
    8+ might be too much for you. My sweet spot is around ~7 hours. Less than 6.5 and more than 8 makes me feel the same, but if I manage to sleep around 7, it's completely a different story.
    - 3y ago

Roark66 3y ago

I found Google extremely useful for timezone info. You can write something like "what time is it in Detroit, USA When it's 1pm in Sydney, Australia", or "what time is it now in Baghdad" and it will give you the correct answer. No need to be counting hours etc. As for "are they awake". I'm not sure it is as useful as "are they off work now"?

michaelt 3y ago

> I consider awake to mean from 8AM to 12PM, you are getting at least 8 hours of sleep, right? I've seen IRC bots that monitor people's activity to guess at their availability/timezones. After all, nobody would be on social media during work hours - right? :)

manojlds 3y ago

I was so confused with the 8am to 12pm. You mean 8am to 12am :)

javier_e06 3y ago

A more refined website would ask: Is the US East Coast Awake? Is the US West Coast awake? An even more refined website would ask: Is it East Coast Rush hour now? Is it West Coast Rush hour now?

JulesRosser 3y ago

Legitimately useful. As someone working remotely I'm always wary of waking US colleagues up with my unimportant notifications. I'd definitely use a '% of team members online' Slackbot

pc86 3y ago
If you have notifications configured in a way that wakes you up, that's your fault.
peanuty1 3y ago
Slack lets you mute notifications.
- stronglikedan 3y ago
  > I'm always wary of waking US colleagues up with my unimportant notifications Some notifications are important.

nonethewiser 3y ago

The website claims Reddit is banned in some European countries. Which countries?

Fernicia 3y ago
He means Threads, which is not released outside the UK
0xDEF 3y ago
Not reddit. Threads has chosen not to expand to Europe until they have found out how the "import all your data from Instagram" stuff holds up in court.

koprulusector 3y ago

Shouldn’t he have said “awake from 08:00 to 23:59 or 00:00,” instead of “08:00 AM to 12:00 PM?”

Symbiote 3y ago
It's also not unusual to write 24:00 when that's the end time for something.

delecti 3y ago

I'm perplexed at the implication that we "decided" to have the number of time zones that we do, rather than just acknowledging the reality that the US is a fairly big country. It's cheating a bit with Alaska in the picture, but the US spans about twice the degrees of longitude as Europe, and it would still be solidly "wider" even if you limit to the lower 48 states.

RegnisGnaw 3y ago
It is "decided" which is correct. With 24 hours a day and 360 degrees of longitude, it should be simply 15 degrees per hour. The number of time zone that a country has is a political choice, perhaps based on geography somewhat. The size of each time zone is also variable depending on the choice the government makes. * Look at China for example, one time zone. * India is the same with one time zone. * Mountain Time Zone in Canada actually stretches across 4 time zones (-9, -8, -7, -6) * The Pacific Time Zone in Canada actually stretches across 2 time zones (-8, -9) * Newfoundland in Canada should be geographically in the -4 time zone, but it choose to do -3.5 instead. If that's the proper value, then I'd argue Maine should be in -4.5 instead of -5. * France should be in the UTC time zone with a tiny slice in the +1 time zone. In reality it is in the +1 time zone. * Heck, why does time zones go from UTC-12 to UTC+14? What's with the values above UTC+12? See: https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-0eb6e2b279845c866f90357551ab7b2a https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-0eb6e2b279845c866f903...
- cvoss 3y ago
  And there's also the decision to use hour-aligned timezones. Why not half hours? Why not two hours? It's very much a conscious decision.
  - throwaway09223 3y ago
    Why have time zones at all, and not simply recognize that day and night occur at different times in different places? This part wasn't a conscious decision, because the reference frame of time and orbital mechanics were discovered long after the practice of timekeeping. We may have a similar problem on a galactic scale some day.

nntwozz 3y ago

My doctor said I should sleep until I feel rested, there is no arbitrary number.

throw1234651234 3y ago
Doctors say a lot of stupid stuff like "cartilage can't be repaired, it doesn't matter how much sugar you eat for tooth health, lifting weights is bad", etc. The number is 7-9 hours. The funny thing is that if you get 5 regularly, you won't feel tired, you will just be slow, sick a lot, and unable to put on muscle mass.
- ghostpepper 3y ago
  Speak for yourself - when I get less than 6 hours for more than a few days in a row I am very tired by about 3PM.
  - throw1234651234 3y ago
    I would argue that if you keep that up for a couple of weeks, you will be slow and have all the aforementioned issues, but you won't notice that you are sleep deprived anymore.

sandworm101 3y ago

>> I consider awake to mean from 8AM to 12AM, you are getting at least 8 hours of sleep, right? Must be nice to be a millionaire who works from home then stays up late every night. Is this Charlie sheen's jingle-writing character from 2 1/2 men? The rest of the working population gets up long before 8am. Work starts at 8am. School starts at 8am. Most people I know, at least those with jobs/kids, set their alarms for 6am. If I were to guess, the working population of the US will generally be awake between 6am and 11pm. Or come join the military. 0400 is a very common alarm time. I'm at my desk by 0515 most mornings.

sjm 3y ago
Not the millionaire part, but yeah it is nice. I work to live, not live to work, and your military job sounds horrible, so I'll pass :)
- sandworm101 3y ago
  Anyone who cannot tolerate getting up a little early is definitely not what the modern military is looking for. But some of us can make that sacrifice in exchange for going home early, taking proper lunch breaks, and getting paid for time spent at the gym. We hand a unit "sports" day last week. Half of my guys chose to go fishing. And, because it is summer, we have an unofficial "stand down" every other week. And good luck finding anyone still at work after noon on friday. Total hours at work is probably far less overall than the majority of civilian jobs.
  - arolihas 3y ago
    This isn't a high school, you don't need to try to recruit here :)
  - dreday 3y ago
    Sure but you have to fight made up wars to keep the rich rich and risk your life in the process.
DiscourseFan 3y ago

ChrisArchitect 3y ago

Why does this mention Threads of all things.... a week in we're worried about when to post on Threads? Site is DOA without any network effects from hashtags or whatever....

some_random 3y ago
I find it kind of strange to call Threads DOA, especially from lack of hashtags which haven't been relevant on Twitter for years.
- ChrisArchitect 3y ago
  Hashtags coupled with the algorithm are super important to network effects and getting tweets out there beyond just your followers. Connecting community beyond just some follows is important to network spread and also discoverability. Threads has no discoverability. And endless crap/unrelated accounts being forced on you with no clear way to say you're not interested in them? (why would Mute be the solution to that?) It's DOA. Fastest growing means little when the accounts were already there.
  - some_random 3y ago
    >And endless crap/unrelated accounts being forced on you with no clear way to say you're not interested in them? (why would Mute be the solution to that?) This is how discoverability is down now. Hashtags have been a huge red flag on twitter for years.
sassifrass 3y ago
I’m not a Meta fan by any stretch, but calling one of the fastest growing products in human history [1] DOA seems a bit disingenuous, or at least premature. [1] https://www.reuters.com/technology/metas-twitter-rival-threads-hits-100-mln-users-record-five-days-2023-07-10/ https://www.reuters.com/technology/metas-twitter-rival-threa...

msla 3y ago

> given that the USA decided that having 4, 9 or 11 timezones — depending on how you count — was completely manageble on their end Europe has four time zones, same as the Lower 48, if you ignore overseas territories, overseas collectivities, and whatever other remains of the various European empires. Besides, the alternative is to pull a Mainland China, which spread one time zone across enough land to need four or five of them.

awhow 3y ago

Betteridge's law?

morelisp 3y ago

The mass of men serve the state thus, not as men mainly, but as machines, with their bodies. They are the standing army, and the militia, jailors, constables, possee comitatus, etc. In most cases there is no free exercise whatever of the judgment or of the moral sense; but they put themselves on a level with wood and earth and stones; and wooden men can perhaps be manufactured that will serve the purpose as well. Such command no more respect than men of straw or a lump of dirt. They have the same sort of worth only as horses and dogs. Yet such as these even are commonly esteemed good citizens. Others--as most legislators, politicians, lawyers, ministers, and officeholders--serve the state chiefly with their heads; and, as they rarely make any moral distinctions, they are as likely to serve the Devil, without intending it, as God. A very few, as heroes, patriots, martyrs, reformers in the great sense, and men, serve the state with their consciences also, and so necessarily resist it for the most part; and they are commonly treated as enemies by it.

jacobwilliamroy 3y ago

We should have 1 timezone for the entire planet. Having the same time be different times at different spots on earth just makes things more confusing and causes problems. When I coordinate between timezones I don't even use time, I use delta time (for example "The call is happening 22 hours from now").

dmd 3y ago
https://qntm.org/abolish https://qntm.org/abolish
- jacobwilliamroy 3y ago
  This isn't how real people talk. These are bug people from outer space. In real life a normal person would just call and the call would go like: "Hey I was calling for X" "Oh I'm busy now. You should call back around HH:MM" "Okay, I'll do that."

anlsh 3y ago

9am on the west coast and it's still at 54%- pretty sure it's broken

foxyv 3y ago

I've always been a fan of working with Zulu time. I work with people spanning 12 different time zones. If we could all work on GMT or Zulu I would be a lot happier trying to scheduled meetings and deployments. Zero ambiguity, especially considering DST and traveling.

amai 3y ago

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throwawaymobule 3y ago

Love single-purpose sites like this. time.is is in a fairly similar vain, and I use it regularly to see/convey time to people. Usually in the form: '8pm Dallas time' or something like it. Really takes the complication out of DST, especially.

cykros 3y ago

It assumes most Americans go to bed at midnight and wake up at 8. What are we, Spaniards? I've been up since 4:30. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nakty4Qzc1g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nakty4Qzc1g