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The fuzzy icons are because of how the image is scaled on the marketing site. If you load the image directly (https://www.thunderbird.net/media/img/thunderbird/

The fuzzy icons are because of how the image is scaled on the marketing site. If you load the image directly (https://www.thunderbird.net/media/img/thunderbird/whatsnew/115/new-old-fade.png https://www.thunderbird.net/media/img/thunderbird/whatsnew/1...) you'll see the icons in the UI are actually crisp.

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danpalmer 3y ago
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- nerdponx 3y ago
  I like how you conveniently left out that you're using a retina display until maybe your fifth post complaining about this. It's possible that none of the developers can afford to buy a $2000 laptop for testing. If the icons are obviously fuzzy on your machine, grab a screenshot, post a bug on the bug tracker, and let it be. I assume also that you are already a substantial monthly donor. If not, then I think all this complaining comes across as rather entitled.
  - robertlagrant 3y ago
    The marketing site says this: > Our new designs remain sharp and pixel-perfect at any density setting. Why are you having a go at someone who's just saying that the icons are fuzzy? If it's true it's true.
    - abenga 3y ago
      If it's true, that's a bug. File it, don't just complain online as if you are being let down by a paid tool.
      - robertlagrant 3y ago
        > as if you are being let down by a paid tool It wasn't "as if" that at all. It was a neutral statement of fact.
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  - danpalmer 3y ago
    I'm not going to write feedback because I'm not a user looking for it to be solved. My original comment is critiquing the process that has lead to them shipping software that doesn't meet modern standards – something entirely within the remit of Hacker News discussion. My "retina" display is actually a 4k monitor, a very commonplace and cheap piece of hardware, maybe even the norm nowadays for software engineers.
    - LoganDark 3y ago
      Not sure about the criticism of marketing screenshots but I also have a 4K monitor, they're absolutely indispensable for staring at code all day and cost less than $100.
      - seanmcdirmid 3y ago
        Good ones are around $400, really . A 4K for $100 would be like a 40 inch screen with a horrible PPI.
        LoganDark 3y ago
        > A 4K for $100 would be like a 40 inch screen with a horrible PPI. My 4K monitor was $70 and is 15 inches so, not sure where you got that figure from. (You're right that $400 is better though, that would get me a touchscreen OLED. Unfortunately I don't have that much money yet~)
        seanmcdirmid 3y ago
        A 15 inch 4K for $70? I would love to see that, no matter the quality.
        LoganDark 3y ago
        You can find resellers for brands like UPERFECT all over eBay. The one I used was https://www.ebay.com/itm/313794877980 https://www.ebay.com/itm/313794877980, it looks like they've raised the price since then but I have that exact monitor in front of me and it was definitely $70 when I got it. That account still sells 4K monitors starting from $100, I only have a sample size of one so I'm not sure whether their descriptions are accurate but they're pretty non-specific so chances are you'll get a brand-new product even if they say "Front/back surface scratches or other scratches issue". My experience with UPERFECT in particular is that their monitors reproduce sRGB extremely well. I haven't checked the specs for "HDR" mode though, because Windows doesn't properly support HDR.
  - vorpalhex 3y ago
    If you are gonna make a big announcement of how great your icons are and they are blurry on 20% of screens.. maybe the issue isn't with your users.
  - Klonoar 3y ago
    It’s 2023, Retina and otherwise high res displays are very common and the way to serve images to them is known.
- carlosjobim 3y ago
  I installed it just for trying on my retina display, and all icons looked crisp. Are you sure you didn't get an older version, as this is beta?

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danpalmer 3y ago

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nerdponx 3y ago
I like how you conveniently left out that you're using a retina display until maybe your fifth post complaining about this. It's possible that none of the developers can afford to buy a $2000 laptop for testing. If the icons are obviously fuzzy on your machine, grab a screenshot, post a bug on the bug tracker, and let it be. I assume also that you are already a substantial monthly donor. If not, then I think all this complaining comes across as rather entitled.
- robertlagrant 3y ago
  The marketing site says this: > Our new designs remain sharp and pixel-perfect at any density setting. Why are you having a go at someone who's just saying that the icons are fuzzy? If it's true it's true.
  - abenga 3y ago
    If it's true, that's a bug. File it, don't just complain online as if you are being let down by a paid tool.
    - robertlagrant 3y ago
      > as if you are being let down by a paid tool It wasn't "as if" that at all. It was a neutral statement of fact.
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- danpalmer 3y ago
  I'm not going to write feedback because I'm not a user looking for it to be solved. My original comment is critiquing the process that has lead to them shipping software that doesn't meet modern standards – something entirely within the remit of Hacker News discussion. My "retina" display is actually a 4k monitor, a very commonplace and cheap piece of hardware, maybe even the norm nowadays for software engineers.
  - LoganDark 3y ago
    Not sure about the criticism of marketing screenshots but I also have a 4K monitor, they're absolutely indispensable for staring at code all day and cost less than $100.
    - seanmcdirmid 3y ago
      Good ones are around $400, really . A 4K for $100 would be like a 40 inch screen with a horrible PPI.
      - LoganDark 3y ago
        > A 4K for $100 would be like a 40 inch screen with a horrible PPI. My 4K monitor was $70 and is 15 inches so, not sure where you got that figure from. (You're right that $400 is better though, that would get me a touchscreen OLED. Unfortunately I don't have that much money yet~)
        seanmcdirmid 3y ago
        A 15 inch 4K for $70? I would love to see that, no matter the quality.
        LoganDark 3y ago
        You can find resellers for brands like UPERFECT all over eBay. The one I used was https://www.ebay.com/itm/313794877980 https://www.ebay.com/itm/313794877980, it looks like they've raised the price since then but I have that exact monitor in front of me and it was definitely $70 when I got it. That account still sells 4K monitors starting from $100, I only have a sample size of one so I'm not sure whether their descriptions are accurate but they're pretty non-specific so chances are you'll get a brand-new product even if they say "Front/back surface scratches or other scratches issue". My experience with UPERFECT in particular is that their monitors reproduce sRGB extremely well. I haven't checked the specs for "HDR" mode though, because Windows doesn't properly support HDR.
- vorpalhex 3y ago
  If you are gonna make a big announcement of how great your icons are and they are blurry on 20% of screens.. maybe the issue isn't with your users.
- Klonoar 3y ago
  It’s 2023, Retina and otherwise high res displays are very common and the way to serve images to them is known.
carlosjobim 3y ago
I installed it just for trying on my retina display, and all icons looked crisp. Are you sure you didn't get an older version, as this is beta?