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>Reddit is/was so good because of the possibility that you might find something disturbing while using it. Why do you consider that good? There are plenty of p

by Loocid 3y ago

>Reddit is/was so good because of the possibility that you might find something disturbing while using it. Why do you consider that good? There are plenty of places on the internet where you can find disturbing content, why does it have to something you can just stumble upon?

sli 3y ago
Because it's a relatively safe level of risk compared to, say, 4chan's /b/. People love to dabble in risk in safe ways. I'd argue that's what many genres of fiction are explicitly for, e.g. horror, violent games, etc.
- Loocid 3y ago
  But it's only that way because Reddit placed limits which goes against the "let the internet be grimy" hot-take. Back in the day there were subreddits that would rival the depravity of /b/.
  - watwut 3y ago
    They never stayed contained I their own subs. They just needed to go out of their way to subs of their perceived enemies.
- Tao3300 3y ago
  Yeah, we need something where the risk level is a little lower than the "it's a crime if I don't call the FBI and tell them I saw this" level.
andsoitis 3y ago
> Why do you consider that good? There are plenty of places on the internet where you can find disturbing content, why does it have to something you can just stumble upon? Because what's disturbing to me is not disturbing to someone else. Because, just like when I walk in a city, I run into interesting and surprising and occasionally things that test my sensibilities. This is good because nobody can decide on my behalf what I should find disturbing or not.
- Red_Leaves_Flyy 3y ago
  No one is arguing over what disturbs you. Many people are rightfully arguing that vulnerable populations should not be needlessly exposed to content that is widely considered to be disturbing. Have you heard of tor? There’s tons of disturbing in every flavor imaginable with seedy purveyors ready to create whatever content you desire, if you can afford it. Let’s keep that off the clear net and amongst the criminals, for the good of, oh geez, everyone? I encourage you to get your kicks there so that regular people on regular internet can go about their business without seeing CSAM/gore/violent crimes/etc. Communities that harbor disturbing content *will not* scale because the majority of people are not interested in these things so the stakeholders of these venues rightfully police their domains to make them as inviting as possible to as many people as possible. I’m not sure what you’re actually arguing for here. Do you actually want to happen upon beheading videos or CSAM while you read this site or something?
  - tourmalinetaco 3y ago
    No one is advocating for looking at CSAM (well, except you). In fact there wasn’t even the suggestion of that. They have a right to enjoy the content they choose, as long as is it law-abiding. Regardless of if that upsets your sensibilities or not. Frankly, aside from trying to pull the age old “think of the children” routine, do you even have a point? You are arguing that harboring (legal) disturbing content is tantamount to CSAM and should be censored because it “will not scale”, meaning you are focusing on a for-profit lens. Despite the fact that the conversation topic, the Fediverse, is not for-profit. Why does someone enjoying their time in a legal way bother you to the point of indirectly accusing them of viewing CSAM?
    - Gordonjcp 3y ago
      > Regardless of if that upsets your sensibilities or not. So you'd be happy if I surrounded your house with huge billboards covered in pictures of dicks, and puppies being thrown into scrap metal shredders?
      - 3y ago
strken 3y ago
I don't use Reddit outside a few niche communities that unfortunately have a presence there, but disturbing content (as in genuinely disturbing, not merely porn and dead people) broadens one's horizons. Here are some disturbing things I've run across that I'm glad to have seen: The Wethouse, a documentary on an alcohol-allowed hostel for alcoholics: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MF5wNsfKo84 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MF5wNsfKo84 Putin's essay "On the historical unity of Russians and Ukrainians": en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/66181 (it should be obvious from the literal kremlin.ru domain and the fact it's by Putin, but you want to read this one critically) /r/deathgainers, a community of fetishists literally eating themselves to death and being egged on by other fetishists (no URL because it probably got wiped out in the drama and because it is actual porn; see also pro-anorexia communities, which for some reason tend to be banned while deathgainers are allowed) Blindsight by Peter Watts, a hard-biology science fiction novel that raises questions about how we think: https://www.rifters.com/real/Blindsight.htm https://www.rifters.com/real/Blindsight.htm The disturbing parts of the internet are more worthwhile than the Skinner boxes and can encourage more personal growth. Certainly if you're only a little concerned about the amount you drink, watching The Wethouse will change that; if you're sitting there in July of 2021 and not too worried about whether Russia will start a land war in Europe, reading Putin's essay and its echoes of blood-and-soil will change that too; if you eat too little or too much, seeing the fatal effects can be a wake-up call. Many moderation policies would block some or all of those, though The Wethouse and Blindsight might escape. I'm glad to have seen all of them. I'm not sure whether I would have, if I had to explicitly go to the designated deviant zone and wade through thousands of gigs of porn to find them.
- Tao3300 3y ago
  Blindsight is disturbing? I guess the Captain did some questionable things... I liked that book a lot. It'd be a tragedy to find that being censored anywhere.
  - User23 3y ago
    I think the more disturbing part is the implications of consciousness being a kind of globally maladaptive local optimum. And it’s neat how the aliens are basically GPT-99. That the protagonist had half his brain amputated is pretty squick too. The vampire stuff isn’t really disturbing at all.

by Loocid 3y ago

sli 3y ago

Because it's a relatively safe level of risk compared to, say, 4chan's /b/. People love to dabble in risk in safe ways. I'd argue that's what many genres of fiction are explicitly for, e.g. horror, violent games, etc.

Loocid 3y ago
But it's only that way because Reddit placed limits which goes against the "let the internet be grimy" hot-take. Back in the day there were subreddits that would rival the depravity of /b/.
- watwut 3y ago
  They never stayed contained I their own subs. They just needed to go out of their way to subs of their perceived enemies.
Tao3300 3y ago
Yeah, we need something where the risk level is a little lower than the "it's a crime if I don't call the FBI and tell them I saw this" level.

andsoitis 3y ago

> Why do you consider that good? There are plenty of places on the internet where you can find disturbing content, why does it have to something you can just stumble upon? Because what's disturbing to me is not disturbing to someone else. Because, just like when I walk in a city, I run into interesting and surprising and occasionally things that test my sensibilities. This is good because nobody can decide on my behalf what I should find disturbing or not.

Red_Leaves_Flyy 3y ago
No one is arguing over what disturbs you. Many people are rightfully arguing that vulnerable populations should not be needlessly exposed to content that is widely considered to be disturbing. Have you heard of tor? There’s tons of disturbing in every flavor imaginable with seedy purveyors ready to create whatever content you desire, if you can afford it. Let’s keep that off the clear net and amongst the criminals, for the good of, oh geez, everyone? I encourage you to get your kicks there so that regular people on regular internet can go about their business without seeing CSAM/gore/violent crimes/etc. Communities that harbor disturbing content *will not* scale because the majority of people are not interested in these things so the stakeholders of these venues rightfully police their domains to make them as inviting as possible to as many people as possible. I’m not sure what you’re actually arguing for here. Do you actually want to happen upon beheading videos or CSAM while you read this site or something?
- tourmalinetaco 3y ago
  No one is advocating for looking at CSAM (well, except you). In fact there wasn’t even the suggestion of that. They have a right to enjoy the content they choose, as long as is it law-abiding. Regardless of if that upsets your sensibilities or not. Frankly, aside from trying to pull the age old “think of the children” routine, do you even have a point? You are arguing that harboring (legal) disturbing content is tantamount to CSAM and should be censored because it “will not scale”, meaning you are focusing on a for-profit lens. Despite the fact that the conversation topic, the Fediverse, is not for-profit. Why does someone enjoying their time in a legal way bother you to the point of indirectly accusing them of viewing CSAM?
  - Gordonjcp 3y ago
    > Regardless of if that upsets your sensibilities or not. So you'd be happy if I surrounded your house with huge billboards covered in pictures of dicks, and puppies being thrown into scrap metal shredders?
    - 3y ago

strken 3y ago

I don't use Reddit outside a few niche communities that unfortunately have a presence there, but disturbing content (as in genuinely disturbing, not merely porn and dead people) broadens one's horizons. Here are some disturbing things I've run across that I'm glad to have seen: The Wethouse, a documentary on an alcohol-allowed hostel for alcoholics: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MF5wNsfKo84 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MF5wNsfKo84 Putin's essay "On the historical unity of Russians and Ukrainians": en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/66181 (it should be obvious from the literal kremlin.ru domain and the fact it's by Putin, but you want to read this one critically) /r/deathgainers, a community of fetishists literally eating themselves to death and being egged on by other fetishists (no URL because it probably got wiped out in the drama and because it is actual porn; see also pro-anorexia communities, which for some reason tend to be banned while deathgainers are allowed) Blindsight by Peter Watts, a hard-biology science fiction novel that raises questions about how we think: https://www.rifters.com/real/Blindsight.htm https://www.rifters.com/real/Blindsight.htm The disturbing parts of the internet are more worthwhile than the Skinner boxes and can encourage more personal growth. Certainly if you're only a little concerned about the amount you drink, watching The Wethouse will change that; if you're sitting there in July of 2021 and not too worried about whether Russia will start a land war in Europe, reading Putin's essay and its echoes of blood-and-soil will change that too; if you eat too little or too much, seeing the fatal effects can be a wake-up call. Many moderation policies would block some or all of those, though The Wethouse and Blindsight might escape. I'm glad to have seen all of them. I'm not sure whether I would have, if I had to explicitly go to the designated deviant zone and wade through thousands of gigs of porn to find them.

Tao3300 3y ago
Blindsight is disturbing? I guess the Captain did some questionable things... I liked that book a lot. It'd be a tragedy to find that being censored anywhere.
- User23 3y ago
  I think the more disturbing part is the implications of consciousness being a kind of globally maladaptive local optimum. And it’s neat how the aliens are basically GPT-99. That the protagonist had half his brain amputated is pretty squick too. The vampire stuff isn’t really disturbing at all.