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Because Apple makes a shitton of money selling ads on iOS using its Ad ID. Wait, did you seriously buy into their marketing BS about how they care about your p

by brunes 3y ago

Because Apple makes a shitton of money selling ads on iOS using its Ad ID. Wait, did you seriously buy into their marketing BS about how they care about your privacy? Apple cares about making money, and that's it. They hamstrung Google and Meta on iOS simply so they would have a monopoly on advertising trackers on the platform.

austinpena 3y ago
How does Apple make money with this exactly?
- refulgentis 3y ago
  They collect your data and sell ads to advertisers based on segments you fall into
  - soupfordummies 3y ago
    What data do they collect? Where/how do they collect it? Are they mining my camera roll and notes or just my browser history? What about my text messages?
    - gmerc 3y ago
      You don’t remember being asked to opt in? Oh wait that’s because they created that rule for others Go Settings -> Privacy -> Ads >>You may still be served ads based on the criteria listed below. Your personal data is not provided to third parties. Contextual Information On the App Store, relevant ads may be selected using your search query, information about the page you're viewing, or the app you're downloading. On Apple News and Stocks, the type of story you read may be used to select relevant ads. In addition, information about your device’s keyboard language settings, device type, OS version, mobile carrier, and connection type may be used to serve ads to you. If Location Services is enabled and you’ve granted permission to App Store, Apple News, or the Apple TV app to access your location, your location may be used to serve you geographically relevant ads in each respective app.
      - kaba0 3y ago
        So basically absolutely nothing..
        refulgentis 3y ago
        ?????? The stories you read, the words you type
- plagiarist 3y ago
  Apple is selling ads on its iAd platform, developers can opt to display them in apps to receive a percentage.
  - 130e13a 3y ago
    that used to be the case, but they discontinued iAd [1] about 7 years ago [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IAd https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IAd
    - refulgentis 3y ago
      I'm old enough now to have both been: - the person rushing to comment about Apple because there's no way Apple would ever do that - the person complaining about clearly rushed and motivated comments denying something obvious about Apple Read up here: https://www.apple.com/legal/privacy/data/en/apple-advertising/ https://www.apple.com/legal/privacy/data/en/apple-advertisin...
      - 130e13a 3y ago
        i'm not denying anything. the comment i replied to stated that developers can use iAd to "display [ads] in apps to receive a percentage", which i pointed out is no longer the case. in no way does my comment deny that there's other ads sold by apple (there are, obviously, e.g. app store search ads), but that's a completely separate issue from the specific iAd program the parent comment was talking about.
        refulgentis 3y ago
        Ok, thank you
- upon_drumhead 3y ago
  https://searchads.apple.com https://searchads.apple.com
  - CSSer 3y ago
    It's also worth including https://support.apple.com/guide/adguide/welcome/icloud https://support.apple.com/guide/adguide/welcome/icloud.
- CSSer 3y ago
  If Apple can convince your cohort, herein referred to as "you" for simplicity, that everyone else is toxic, then you'll only use Apple products. If you only use Apple products, Apple has higher quality user data about you than their direct and indirect competitors, herein referred to as "anyone else" or "others". This means Apple is uniquely positioned to sell more effectively targeted advertising to you than anyone else. This is especially true when Apple takes steps to improve privacy and security for you by making it more difficult for others to track you. Apple said they cared about your privacy [from others, not from them]. To be clear, I'm trying to be objective. They're not selling individual personal data or recklessly leaking your data. They have promised to keep your data secure, and I think they've often lived up to that promise, especially compared to others (full disclosure: I own a multitude of Apple devices, but I'm not a fanatic). However, the bottom line here is that using Apple products means you're putting a kind of centralized trust in Apple, and Apple never said they wouldn't take advantage of that trust where possible.
- renewiltord 3y ago
  The same way anyone makes with ads, you charge people to show them to others. Apple's ads division alone has revenue in the same ballpark as Netflix. And now that they're cracking down so that first party is the only way to go, they will do really well.
plugin-baby 3y ago
Where are the ads on iOS?
- Frummy 3y ago
  Buy more icloud! Buy apple music! Buy appletv! Buy apps! Buy stuff in apps! Buy apple home! Buy apple clock! Buy apple airpods!
  - lostlogin 3y ago
    Where are you seeing this? I am a heavy apple user and dont see this. I do use those services, so maybe that stops adverts?
    - Frummy 3y ago
      I dont really care except about the icloud popup on my mac which is annoying. But notifications on the phone mostly for apple music sometimes appletv, preinstalled app for the watch and for apple home products, some guide popped up for apple home once, theres a space in the pull down menu for apple home I probably removed it, mail campaigns for new products i probably unsubscribed. Obviously a lot of copywriting in the app store. Anyway I already have the ecosystem so to speak so its not expensive relatively to just buy icloud but I have no need for it. Music is worse than spotify. Appletv I watched only for "for all of mankind".
    - jordanreger 3y ago
      i've only ever seen ads for apple music and the new devices. everything else is an exaggeration imo
    - gumby 3y ago
      When my phone’s eligibility for renewing applecare approached I got a red bubble on my setting app and there was no way to say “yeah, I got it but stop telling me” except by waiting for the eligibility to run out.
  - _2z1p 3y ago
soligern 3y ago
Apple does care about your privacy and has repeatedly proven so. You have to give credit where it’s due.
- sam0x17 3y ago
  It certainly is good for business to appear to care about it
  - happytoexplain 3y ago
    This is cynical to the point of uselessness. This is true of anything any business does. Customers still benefit even if a company is "only doing it for the money", or whatever.
    - sam0x17 3y ago
      > This is true of anything any business does. Exactly, now you get it. It's especially true for FANG, which literally exists only for the purpose of squeezing as much money as possible out of us. I'll give you an excellent data point on Google as an example. They don't care about click-fraud, at all, because it makes them money. In fact, it makes them so much money, I don't think realistically they could exist without it. When I was a teenager I ran a network of websites, one of which three of my web developer friends actually ran ads on frequently for their websites. We got attacked by a massive click-fraud botting attack (shady competitor wanted to get us kicked off of AdSense). Anyway, $843 of my earnings that month got flagged as click-fraud. $55 of that was actually ads that were run by my friends. While Google happily ripped that money away from me, my three friends never got anything refunded nor any indication that their ad buys were subject to click fraud. FANG is a bunch of criminals.
  - dbish 3y ago
    Similar to openai and ai regulation. There’s good business in knocking out your competition by coincidentally picking up the right cause that does so.

by brunes 3y ago

austinpena 3y ago

How does Apple make money with this exactly?

refulgentis 3y ago
They collect your data and sell ads to advertisers based on segments you fall into
- soupfordummies 3y ago
  What data do they collect? Where/how do they collect it? Are they mining my camera roll and notes or just my browser history? What about my text messages?
  - gmerc 3y ago
    You don’t remember being asked to opt in? Oh wait that’s because they created that rule for others Go Settings -> Privacy -> Ads >>You may still be served ads based on the criteria listed below. Your personal data is not provided to third parties. Contextual Information On the App Store, relevant ads may be selected using your search query, information about the page you're viewing, or the app you're downloading. On Apple News and Stocks, the type of story you read may be used to select relevant ads. In addition, information about your device’s keyboard language settings, device type, OS version, mobile carrier, and connection type may be used to serve ads to you. If Location Services is enabled and you’ve granted permission to App Store, Apple News, or the Apple TV app to access your location, your location may be used to serve you geographically relevant ads in each respective app.
    - kaba0 3y ago
      So basically absolutely nothing..
      - refulgentis 3y ago
        ?????? The stories you read, the words you type
plagiarist 3y ago
Apple is selling ads on its iAd platform, developers can opt to display them in apps to receive a percentage.
- 130e13a 3y ago
  that used to be the case, but they discontinued iAd [1] about 7 years ago [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IAd https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IAd
  - refulgentis 3y ago
    I'm old enough now to have both been: - the person rushing to comment about Apple because there's no way Apple would ever do that - the person complaining about clearly rushed and motivated comments denying something obvious about Apple Read up here: https://www.apple.com/legal/privacy/data/en/apple-advertising/ https://www.apple.com/legal/privacy/data/en/apple-advertisin...
    - 130e13a 3y ago
      i'm not denying anything. the comment i replied to stated that developers can use iAd to "display [ads] in apps to receive a percentage", which i pointed out is no longer the case. in no way does my comment deny that there's other ads sold by apple (there are, obviously, e.g. app store search ads), but that's a completely separate issue from the specific iAd program the parent comment was talking about.
      - refulgentis 3y ago
        Ok, thank you
upon_drumhead 3y ago
https://searchads.apple.com https://searchads.apple.com
- CSSer 3y ago
  It's also worth including https://support.apple.com/guide/adguide/welcome/icloud https://support.apple.com/guide/adguide/welcome/icloud.
CSSer 3y ago
If Apple can convince your cohort, herein referred to as "you" for simplicity, that everyone else is toxic, then you'll only use Apple products. If you only use Apple products, Apple has higher quality user data about you than their direct and indirect competitors, herein referred to as "anyone else" or "others". This means Apple is uniquely positioned to sell more effectively targeted advertising to you than anyone else. This is especially true when Apple takes steps to improve privacy and security for you by making it more difficult for others to track you. Apple said they cared about your privacy [from others, not from them]. To be clear, I'm trying to be objective. They're not selling individual personal data or recklessly leaking your data. They have promised to keep your data secure, and I think they've often lived up to that promise, especially compared to others (full disclosure: I own a multitude of Apple devices, but I'm not a fanatic). However, the bottom line here is that using Apple products means you're putting a kind of centralized trust in Apple, and Apple never said they wouldn't take advantage of that trust where possible.
renewiltord 3y ago
The same way anyone makes with ads, you charge people to show them to others. Apple's ads division alone has revenue in the same ballpark as Netflix. And now that they're cracking down so that first party is the only way to go, they will do really well.

plugin-baby 3y ago

Where are the ads on iOS?

Frummy 3y ago
Buy more icloud! Buy apple music! Buy appletv! Buy apps! Buy stuff in apps! Buy apple home! Buy apple clock! Buy apple airpods!
- lostlogin 3y ago
  Where are you seeing this? I am a heavy apple user and dont see this. I do use those services, so maybe that stops adverts?
  - Frummy 3y ago
    I dont really care except about the icloud popup on my mac which is annoying. But notifications on the phone mostly for apple music sometimes appletv, preinstalled app for the watch and for apple home products, some guide popped up for apple home once, theres a space in the pull down menu for apple home I probably removed it, mail campaigns for new products i probably unsubscribed. Obviously a lot of copywriting in the app store. Anyway I already have the ecosystem so to speak so its not expensive relatively to just buy icloud but I have no need for it. Music is worse than spotify. Appletv I watched only for "for all of mankind".
  - jordanreger 3y ago
    i've only ever seen ads for apple music and the new devices. everything else is an exaggeration imo
  - gumby 3y ago
    When my phone’s eligibility for renewing applecare approached I got a red bubble on my setting app and there was no way to say “yeah, I got it but stop telling me” except by waiting for the eligibility to run out.
- _2z1p 3y ago

soligern 3y ago

Apple does care about your privacy and has repeatedly proven so. You have to give credit where it’s due.

sam0x17 3y ago
It certainly is good for business to appear to care about it
- happytoexplain 3y ago
  This is cynical to the point of uselessness. This is true of anything any business does. Customers still benefit even if a company is "only doing it for the money", or whatever.
  - sam0x17 3y ago
    > This is true of anything any business does. Exactly, now you get it. It's especially true for FANG, which literally exists only for the purpose of squeezing as much money as possible out of us. I'll give you an excellent data point on Google as an example. They don't care about click-fraud, at all, because it makes them money. In fact, it makes them so much money, I don't think realistically they could exist without it. When I was a teenager I ran a network of websites, one of which three of my web developer friends actually ran ads on frequently for their websites. We got attacked by a massive click-fraud botting attack (shady competitor wanted to get us kicked off of AdSense). Anyway, $843 of my earnings that month got flagged as click-fraud. $55 of that was actually ads that were run by my friends. While Google happily ripped that money away from me, my three friends never got anything refunded nor any indication that their ad buys were subject to click fraud. FANG is a bunch of criminals.
- dbish 3y ago
  Similar to openai and ai regulation. There’s good business in knocking out your competition by coincidentally picking up the right cause that does so.