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Elon Musk Pledges to Enhance 'Core Socialist Values' in China

9 points by wahnfrieden 3y ago

wahnfrieden 3y ago
Here are the translated details of the agreement Musk pledged to follow: Adhere to industry rules and regulations, regulate marketing activities, maintain fair competition and not disrupt fair competition with abnormal pricing Pay attention to marketing and publicity methods, not exaggerate or use false publicity to attract attention or gain new customers Put quality first, improve lives with high-quality products and services Promote core socialist values, actively fulfill social responsibilities, and take on the heavy responsibility of maintaining steady growth, strengthening confidence and preventing risks
- anovikov 3y ago
  Out of all this, i can really object just "preventing risks". Risks are a normal part of business and are a necessary element of development.
  - WhereIsTheTruth 3y ago
    > Risks are a normal part of business and are a necessary element of development. He didn't say "banning risks", the wording here is important, "preventing risks" "I can use this unmaintained rail road infrastructure for dirt cheap, I can maximize my profits if i send my dangerous chemicals this way!" Then you have the Ohio incident By "preventing risks", you'd not allow that kind of business to take that kind of risk It kinda is sad that people can't see it from this angle And it makes me not optimistic about the future of this civilization We should absolutely prevent risks, your action, therefore your risks, have consequences that can affect the life of many people This selfish society has to stop
    - anovikov 3y ago
      Well yes true, risks as in "let people work in unsafe conditions hoping they will be lucky and no one dies" are something to avoid. I meant risks like "bet the farm on some new product not having a slightest idea if anyone wants to buy it or if it will even work", these risks are OK and they drive progress.
      - WhereIsTheTruth 3y ago
        That's not risk, that's gambling, well.. technically a gamba is a risk.. you got the point
  - wahnfrieden 3y ago
    I'll file you under "Anti-OSHA"
jprd 3y ago
The amount of hypocrisy would be stunning if I hadn't lived through the past 20 years of American politics.
sidibe 3y ago
Here looks like he is asked to agree, but he regularly goes above and beyond the call of duty. I don't think there's any other notable business or political leaders who have said Taiwan should be governed like HK or heap as much praise on China generally.
- onethought 3y ago
  Elon said Taiwan should be governed like HK? Do you have a link? Was this a tweet? Warren Buffet being a very early investor in BYD, and Apple, has also been extremely pro Chinese government. Google famously started writing Dragonfly (actually Modifying their core search algorithm to be more Chinese censorship friendly). Aforementioned Apple has historically supported China and continues to do so, even opening new lines of manufacturing related to the fabrics/materials relating to Vision Pro. As usual - people are upset with Elons words but ignore everyone else’s actions. I find the same in the car industry. The Germans/Japanese car industry are literally remnants of the nazi and Japanese empire and they also signed that agreement… but some how musk is again the bad guy - what? People are nuts.
  - sidibe 3y ago
    Here you go: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/oct/08/elon-musk-taiwan-china-special-administrative-zone-hong-kong https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/oct/08/elon-musk... Your examples are quite different from that. Buffet and Apple have profited/continue to profit off China but hope you don't notice, they aren't enthusiastically praising how much better it is than the US and saying things about Taiwan that the government wants. Especially seeing Google cited is funny since it was an exploratory project that got nixed when more of the company found about it, and they've been famously uncooperative with China.
    - onethought 3y ago
      Right so you are judging words over action. Exactly my point. Google example, clearly Page and Brin knew, and thought it was ok. Just caved to company pressure. Apple don’t talk about it, but clearly think it. Musks suggestion (after being directly asked) on Taiwan was: a SER type setup more lenient than HK. I don’t agree with his assessment. But id hardly call it advocating, he is asked constantly every single interview. No one asks these other CEOs.

9 points by wahnfrieden 3y ago

Here are the translated details of the agreement Musk pledged to follow: Adhere to industry rules and regulations, regulate marketing activities, maintain fair competition and not disrupt fair competition with abnormal pricing Pay attention to marketing and publicity methods, not exaggerate or use false publicity to attract attention or gain new customers Put quality first, improve lives with high-quality products and services Promote core socialist values, actively fulfill social responsibilities, and take on the heavy responsibility of maintaining steady growth, strengthening confidence and preventing risks

anovikov 3y ago
Out of all this, i can really object just "preventing risks". Risks are a normal part of business and are a necessary element of development.
- WhereIsTheTruth 3y ago
  > Risks are a normal part of business and are a necessary element of development. He didn't say "banning risks", the wording here is important, "preventing risks" "I can use this unmaintained rail road infrastructure for dirt cheap, I can maximize my profits if i send my dangerous chemicals this way!" Then you have the Ohio incident By "preventing risks", you'd not allow that kind of business to take that kind of risk It kinda is sad that people can't see it from this angle And it makes me not optimistic about the future of this civilization We should absolutely prevent risks, your action, therefore your risks, have consequences that can affect the life of many people This selfish society has to stop
  - anovikov 3y ago
    Well yes true, risks as in "let people work in unsafe conditions hoping they will be lucky and no one dies" are something to avoid. I meant risks like "bet the farm on some new product not having a slightest idea if anyone wants to buy it or if it will even work", these risks are OK and they drive progress.
    - WhereIsTheTruth 3y ago
      That's not risk, that's gambling, well.. technically a gamba is a risk.. you got the point
- wahnfrieden 3y ago
  I'll file you under "Anti-OSHA"

jprd 3y ago

The amount of hypocrisy would be stunning if I hadn't lived through the past 20 years of American politics.

sidibe 3y ago

Here looks like he is asked to agree, but he regularly goes above and beyond the call of duty. I don't think there's any other notable business or political leaders who have said Taiwan should be governed like HK or heap as much praise on China generally.

onethought 3y ago
Elon said Taiwan should be governed like HK? Do you have a link? Was this a tweet? Warren Buffet being a very early investor in BYD, and Apple, has also been extremely pro Chinese government. Google famously started writing Dragonfly (actually Modifying their core search algorithm to be more Chinese censorship friendly). Aforementioned Apple has historically supported China and continues to do so, even opening new lines of manufacturing related to the fabrics/materials relating to Vision Pro. As usual - people are upset with Elons words but ignore everyone else’s actions. I find the same in the car industry. The Germans/Japanese car industry are literally remnants of the nazi and Japanese empire and they also signed that agreement… but some how musk is again the bad guy - what? People are nuts.
- sidibe 3y ago
  Here you go: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/oct/08/elon-musk-taiwan-china-special-administrative-zone-hong-kong https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/oct/08/elon-musk... Your examples are quite different from that. Buffet and Apple have profited/continue to profit off China but hope you don't notice, they aren't enthusiastically praising how much better it is than the US and saying things about Taiwan that the government wants. Especially seeing Google cited is funny since it was an exploratory project that got nixed when more of the company found about it, and they've been famously uncooperative with China.
  - onethought 3y ago
    Right so you are judging words over action. Exactly my point. Google example, clearly Page and Brin knew, and thought it was ok. Just caved to company pressure. Apple don’t talk about it, but clearly think it. Musks suggestion (after being directly asked) on Taiwan was: a SER type setup more lenient than HK. I don’t agree with his assessment. But id hardly call it advocating, he is asked constantly every single interview. No one asks these other CEOs.