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This should go without saying but this flagrant disregard for what users want is going to continue and get worse as long as people keep buying and using Windows

This should go without saying but this flagrant disregard for what users want is going to continue and get worse as long as people keep buying and using Windows. I wonder pretty often why people put themselves through this crap to use Windows.

pessimizer 3y ago
Because that's what comes on computers, and that's what the software they need runs on. The obvious reasons. If you want to fix that, work in antitrust, work on getting at least governments and public schools to choose FOSS solutions, work on improving FOSS solutions, work on Debian installers...
- stalfosknight 3y ago
  Windows didn't come preinstalled on my Mac.
runesofdoom 3y ago
A possibly illustrative example: A year or three ago, my uncle (mid-50s, telco IT manager, started on a Commodore in the 80s) decided he'd try Mint instead of upgrading from Windows 7. He got it installed and running, and decided he wanted to burn an audio CD. His install of Mint didn't come with any application to accomplish this. He got something recommended installed easily enough, but it only supported FLAC, not his MP3s. So he removed that and got some different CD burning software that did support his MP3s, but was set to Finnish by default. He got enough Finnish translated to get it changed to English, and then ran into some sort of driver/support issue for his particular CD burner. At that point, he did the free upgrade to Windows 10 and then burned his CD in less total time than he'd spent not burning a CD via Mint.
- vel0city 3y ago
  It has been a while for me since I last ran Mint, but back in the day it used to come with Brasero which can burn audio CDs. It would have supported mp3's, but he would of had to install the non-free codecs which was an option at install time or would have been installable from the settings. https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Brasero https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Brasero https://linuxmint-installation-guide.readthedocs.io/en/latest/codecs.html https://linuxmint-installation-guide.readthedocs.io/en/lates...
  - bacchusracine 3y ago
    Ubuntu-Mate user here. I can't speak for Linux Mint, but last few times I tried to use Brasero it was issue after issue after issue with some kind of lower level driver thing. I installed the missing libraries, still nothing. Tried searching for a fix and found nothing that could resolve my issue with Brasero. I installed K3B and it just worked, so that is what I do now. Possibly the parent poster's uncle ran into something like this and gave up instead of trying a KDE application?
- stalfosknight 3y ago
  And this is why the "Year of the Linux Desktop" will never come.
  - olddustytrail 3y ago
    Because of quite possibly the dumbest anecdote I've ever heard? I'm not sure morons anonymous has much influence in the real world.
    - beebeepka 3y ago
      No kidding. Recycling anecdotes from 20 years ago.
      - IntelMiner 3y ago
        Sticking your fingers in your ears and saying "everyone is making up problems, Linux is perfect!" is the other reason the "year of the Linux desktop" is never going to happen
  - zokula 3y ago
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add-sub-mul-div 3y ago
Because I'm an adult who knows how to weigh all the pros and cons of a situation and make decisions based on the sum of that reasoning rather than the emotion raised by one pain point. (My own or someone else's.)
- stalfosknight 3y ago
  Enjoy not having control over when or how your OS gets updated then.

pessimizer 3y ago

Because that's what comes on computers, and that's what the software they need runs on. The obvious reasons. If you want to fix that, work in antitrust, work on getting at least governments and public schools to choose FOSS solutions, work on improving FOSS solutions, work on Debian installers...

stalfosknight 3y ago
Windows didn't come preinstalled on my Mac.

runesofdoom 3y ago

A possibly illustrative example: A year or three ago, my uncle (mid-50s, telco IT manager, started on a Commodore in the 80s) decided he'd try Mint instead of upgrading from Windows 7. He got it installed and running, and decided he wanted to burn an audio CD. His install of Mint didn't come with any application to accomplish this. He got something recommended installed easily enough, but it only supported FLAC, not his MP3s. So he removed that and got some different CD burning software that did support his MP3s, but was set to Finnish by default. He got enough Finnish translated to get it changed to English, and then ran into some sort of driver/support issue for his particular CD burner. At that point, he did the free upgrade to Windows 10 and then burned his CD in less total time than he'd spent not burning a CD via Mint.

vel0city 3y ago
It has been a while for me since I last ran Mint, but back in the day it used to come with Brasero which can burn audio CDs. It would have supported mp3's, but he would of had to install the non-free codecs which was an option at install time or would have been installable from the settings. https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Brasero https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Brasero https://linuxmint-installation-guide.readthedocs.io/en/latest/codecs.html https://linuxmint-installation-guide.readthedocs.io/en/lates...
- bacchusracine 3y ago
  Ubuntu-Mate user here. I can't speak for Linux Mint, but last few times I tried to use Brasero it was issue after issue after issue with some kind of lower level driver thing. I installed the missing libraries, still nothing. Tried searching for a fix and found nothing that could resolve my issue with Brasero. I installed K3B and it just worked, so that is what I do now. Possibly the parent poster's uncle ran into something like this and gave up instead of trying a KDE application?
stalfosknight 3y ago
And this is why the "Year of the Linux Desktop" will never come.
- olddustytrail 3y ago
  Because of quite possibly the dumbest anecdote I've ever heard? I'm not sure morons anonymous has much influence in the real world.
  - beebeepka 3y ago
    No kidding. Recycling anecdotes from 20 years ago.
    - IntelMiner 3y ago
      Sticking your fingers in your ears and saying "everyone is making up problems, Linux is perfect!" is the other reason the "year of the Linux desktop" is never going to happen
- zokula 3y ago
  [dead]

add-sub-mul-div 3y ago

Because I'm an adult who knows how to weigh all the pros and cons of a situation and make decisions based on the sum of that reasoning rather than the emotion raised by one pain point. (My own or someone else's.)

stalfosknight 3y ago
Enjoy not having control over when or how your OS gets updated then.