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Weird to see such high petty theft countries near the top of the list too. No one tells you to pin your pockets shut when you visit NYC. Everyone tells you all
by hospitalJail 3y ago
Weird to see such high petty theft countries near the top of the list too.
No one tells you to pin your pockets shut when you visit NYC. Everyone tells you all sorts of ways to keep your belongings safe in Europe.
- melenaboija 3y agoAnd no museum in Europe tells you to please leave your guns at the entrance to pick them up later. I guess weirdness is a matter of culture.
- mensetmanusman 3y agoI have visited ancient churches in Norway that still have the weapon drop off rooms in the back :) Society ebbs and flows.
- noduerme 3y agoIt does seem that places with fewer guns tend to have fewer homicides but more petty theft. Someone should study that one.
- marfil 3y agoNYC. Chicago. Detroit. Atlanta. This ain't it chief. There is no correlation between "fewer guns" and "more petty theft". The common factor is culture of crime and it comes in different flavors. There are countries in Europe that completely outlawed even pistol ownership without extensive classes and expensive licenses, and yet they're some of the safest countries in the world. Has to do with culture and general population hostility, and the tensions and hostility will always naturally be higher among the armed population as been proved by history time and time again.
- pvaldes 3y agoIs not relevant probably. This kind of crime is 100% opportunistic and normally collaborative. Done by specialized gangs that came attracted to touristic areas like sharks by the blood. Being from a different country is not uncommon. In any case touristic areas show a distorted reflect on the honesty of the country. Honesty is directly proportional to stability. Work in touristic areas is seasonary and unstable
- llbeansandrice 3y agoI hate this whataboutism. The odds of getting shot in the US are so incredibly low especially for tourists. Not to mention I’ve never in my life seen a firearms check next to the coat check in any establishment.
- rootw0rm 3y agoit's not uncommon for open carry states to have lock boxes inside the entrance of government buildings for people to stow their firearms. i haven't personally seen it other places (i.e. museums), but it's actually a thing
- hospitalJail 3y agoI don't really care about either side of the gun debate. I'm most annoyed with how much people care about it when its a tiny fraction of deaths and less than 1% if you remove suicides. Meanwhile as I age, the number of healthcare/medical related problems become more real. Few people talk about obesity being a problem, Fewer talk about the other 50% of causes of death.
- CalRobert 3y agoMy mom is baffled that I'm more worried about my kids dying in a car crash than by getting shot.
- _a_a_a_ 3y agoShe may have a valid concern. How good is your driving? :)
- amanaplanacanal 3y agoWondering how you think that. As far as I can see people talk about obesity all the time. Unfortunately it’s not a solved problem at population levels yet.
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- cscurmudgeon 3y agoAnd that doesn't have anything to do with the honesty issue we are discussing.
- rootusrootus 3y ago> And no museum in Europe tells you to please leave your guns at the entrance to pick them up later. I don't recall any museums in the US with such instructions, either.
- EliRivers 3y agono museum in Europe tells you to please leave your guns at the entrance to pick them up later Although in Plovdiv, an ancient Roman historical site accessed by stairs down on a busy shopping street, does have a sign explicitly indicating that you shouldn't take your guns in (also no dogs, no smoking); https://goo.gl/maps/ucGTpQQNwxK8hCMi6 https://goo.gl/maps/ucGTpQQNwxK8hCMi6
- vladvasiliu 3y agoI haven't been there in a few years, but last I remember, at the Louvre, they had signs saying you weren't allowed to bring in weapons or explosives. Sure, they didn't have a place for you to leave them and pick them up later, you were expected to figure storage on your own, I suppose. You can also see such signs at train stations. In France, it's very hard to legally own a gun.
- callalex 3y agoWhere have you seen that?
- noduerme 3y agoIt's funny how times have changed. I remember public safety videos on British Airways when you would fly into New York, before you landed, they'd play a 5-minute clip about how dangerous it is and how to keep your wallet safe. As I recall it was in English and Japanese... but I was very young so maybe I'm not remembering perfectly.
- tm-guimaraes 3y agoFrom personal experience, non-confrontational petty theft in Europe tends to be an issue only in high density high tourist areas. So no wonder it can have weird contrast with civic metrics
- lo_zamoyski 3y agoIt would be interesting to submit petty theft to a similar cultural analysis that this article uses. Neither NYC nor the aforementioned European cities are ethnically/culturally homogeneous. A study like this could either corroborate the findings of this article, or introduce an interesting dimension to the analysis, something non-trivial.
- mytailorisrich 3y agoIn many places in Europe pickpockets waiting for tourists are not locals, shall we say. So, as another commenter remarked, I suspect that this plays a major role in the apparent contradiction you highlight.
- marfil 3y agoNYC is 1 city. Europe is 50 countries. To say you broadly generalized is to understate by a mile. Let's narrow it down to high density mixed cities like Paris or Berlin and you may be onto something, but in reality you also have to be in a bad part of Berlin, or a particularly high density tourist area. Most cities and countries overall in Europe are completely safe. Most are actually much safer than even notoriously safe US cities.
- throwaway290 3y agoAnecdotally I heard this from many unrelated people about Paris, Berlin, Madrid, Barcelona (heard similar about London and major UK cities but that's mostly from stories online). Basically all your typical big Western European cities. Pretty level with NYC. It's a stark contrast with big cities in parts of Asia where I go. Sometimes I'm toying with an idea of moving to Europe but apart from troubles getting digital nomad visa petty crime is also a thing that scares me. (However it's not generally supported by published crime stats so I'm not 100% sure whether to be worried)
- TylerE 3y agoHow much of that petty crime would be violent crime in the US? I’ve I’m gonna get robbed, I’m gonna get robbed. Rather not have a Glock stuck in my face while it’s happening.
- kergonath 3y ago> However it's not generally supported by published crime stats so I'm not 100% sure whether to be worried You should not. There is some level of crime anywhere, but big cities have become much safer than they used to be, at least in the West. Shit still happens sometimes, but there is no reason to be worried if you have a reasonable behaviour. I know of a couple of people who got their phone stolen or who had a burglary, but many more who lost wallets by dropping or forgetting them somewhere.
- atlasunshrugged 3y agoIf you are comparing from the US to Europe, the crime and how concerned you should be is absolutely night and day. I've lived in SF, DC, SLC, and San Diego in the U.S. and Berlin, London, and Tallinn in Europe with plenty of time spent in Paris and elsewhere and I have never felt outright scared in any European city. Are there parts of them I wouldn't be comfortable in at night? Sure, same with any big city, but the lack of gun crime and better social safety net means a lot fewer mentally ill people and a lot fewer people with easy access to a firearm. And just overall, I always felt far safer in Europe (which I can't quantify, just a vibe), even as a tourist. That said, having lived in Beijing for a bit I would guess it is technically safer there, you just are living in a panopticon.
- morsch 3y agoPickpockets - This is one of the most common crimes happening in the city. ALWAYS watch your personal belongings and if possible don't carry unneeded cash with you or any important documents such as passports or IDs. Be very wary in the metro especially during rush hour (if possible have your bag in front of you) and Times Square, which is a hotspot for pickpockets. Also, be on the lookout for outright muggings. https://wikitravel.org/en/New_York_City https://wikitravel.org/en/New_York_City
- artificialLimbs 3y agoSo… come strapped?
- mrguyorama 3y agoNow instead of being out a hundred bucks and your license, you are out a life because this is america and a gun is $400 on the open market.
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- fsckboy 3y agoif you are travelling, getting pickpocketed is a huge hassle, so telling tourists to be careful makes sense (not to mention, tourists bring their wallets out a lot, and stand slackjawed looking at things). But living in NYC, riding the subway, and walking through Times Sq on the regular (NYC's 25 screen multiplex is there, across the street from a 13 screen) I never heard of anybody getting pickpocketed.
- pyrale 3y agoLiving in Paris, no one I know ever got pickpocketed. But tourists get robbed day and night. Maybe there's a pattern there?
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- Helmut10001 3y agoUSA is big. Europe is big. Really depends on which part of Europe you speak of. Norway is probably the most peaceful country in the world, next to NZ, from my subjective perspective. Also do not just listen to what "Everyone" tells you, reality is most often more nuanced than the information spread of provocations and rumor.
- varjag 3y agoAre you kidding, it's some of the world's safest countries on the top.
- marcosdumay 3y ago> No one tells you to pin your pockets shut when you visit NYC. When I took my family from Brazil to visit Orlando, every single person and tourism agency told me to do just that (and hide the money out of pockets). I imagine they do that for NYC too. Looks like a universal rule that wherever you go there will pickpockets specialized in tourists.
- BiteCode_dev 3y agoYMMV also depending of who you are. In China, I look like a tourist, so pickpockets have a field trip with me, they don't even bother to be discreet. In Paris, I never had a problem, because I look local. But my mother from the country side actually got troubles, because she looked like an easy prey, despite take much more care about her sutff than I do.
- m463 3y agoI wonder if "personal honesty" and "professional dishonesty" correlate or not. Too bad japan isn't on the list. I would expect a high level of personal honesty there. That said, there is still yakuza in japan. I wonder how that works.
- skhr0680 3y agoGangster-style yakuza rarely bother normal people. It’s not worth the trouble for either party. There are some industries with a lot of yakuza-owned and operated companies, but their main goal is to make or lose legitimate money, so unless you are aware of some tells you’d never know that they are yakuza.