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So all the violence is being committed by 14 - 16 year olds? Or is it those who were 14-16 in the late 80's / early 90's when this particular pearl-clutch was

So all the violence is being committed by 14 - 16 year olds? Or is it those who were 14-16 in the late 80's / early 90's when this particular pearl-clutch was popularised? Also "a mimicking of violence, which for the youngest leads to a kind of disconnect from reality." Seems there's a bit of that going around.

ben_w 3y ago
"If Pac-Man had affected us as kids, we'd all be running around in dark rooms, munching pills and listening to repetitive electronic music." - Marcus Brigstocke
- Izkata 3y ago
  Between the phrasing and when people usually pull out that quote, it seems like it's supposed to be on the side of "video games don't affect us". But uh... isn't that a pretty accurate description of raves?
  - ben_w 3y ago
    I believe that was the joke, yes. (Marcus Brigstocke is a comedian).
    - Izkata 3y ago
      > Marcus Brigstocke is a comedian Ah k, that makes sense - I didn't know the name, and based on when I usually see that quote I'm guessing most others don't either.
- ChuckNorris89 3y ago
  If GTA would be affecting kids, then I should be out beating up hookers with a baseball bat to steal their cash, and shredding cop cars with a minigun.
  - vuln 3y ago
    Not hookers per se but baseball bats… https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12268529/Baton-wielding-gangs-teenagers-ski-masks-attacking-moms-wealthy-San-Fran-area.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12268529/Baton-wiel... Lest we forget about the “Kia boys” https://www.theverge.com/23742425/kia-boys-car-theft-steal-tiktok-hyundai-usb https://www.theverge.com/23742425/kia-boys-car-theft-steal-t...
    - yurishimo 3y ago
      And in the US, kids bring guns to school? What's your point? There are always bad actors in every society. There is zero link to vieogames being a driving factor in 99.9% of volient acts.
      - vuln 3y ago
        > There are always bad actors in every society. There is zero link to vieogames being a driving factor in 99.9% of volient acts. Do you have any data to back up your wild claim of “99.9%” if so I’d love to read it.
    - anthk 3y ago
      The US was already sick-level violent without any need of videogames. Also, movies like The Orange Clockwork predate non-academic video games.
ChuckNorris89 3y ago
>So all the violence is being committed by 14 - 16 year olds? Close. "According to France's Interior Ministry, the average age of those arrested is 17."
orwin 3y ago
> So all the violence is being committed by 14 - 16 year olds Yes. 12 to 20 I'd say. It's a 17 yo who was murdered, and external cameras caught it. What's 'funny' is that a week prior, a 19 yo who worked with one of my d&d player was murdered in worst circumstances. Also, a way less divising profile. He was going to work, it was 5.30 Am, he worked his ass of to get out of the 'FJT' (basically a cheap hostel for poor, young workers w/o family support), and wanted to take evening classes in sales to not work as a temp all his life. Doing the same drive for a month or two, he was stopped by the police one morning. Then, like Nahel, killed from a bullet in the thorax. But since no camera were present, nothing will happen. France is like the US. If a cop stop you, start recording ASAP, it might save your life.
- ImAnAmateur 3y ago
  If it's not too much to ask, what was his name?
lost_tourist 3y ago
Almost all of the rioting was actually from teenagers and early twenties, that can't really be denied. They are restless youth and their hormones and brains react by breaking stuff instead of processing and communicating about it which a trait adults take a while to glom onto.

ben_w 3y ago

"If Pac-Man had affected us as kids, we'd all be running around in dark rooms, munching pills and listening to repetitive electronic music." - Marcus Brigstocke

Izkata 3y ago
Between the phrasing and when people usually pull out that quote, it seems like it's supposed to be on the side of "video games don't affect us". But uh... isn't that a pretty accurate description of raves?
- ben_w 3y ago
  I believe that was the joke, yes. (Marcus Brigstocke is a comedian).
  - Izkata 3y ago
    > Marcus Brigstocke is a comedian Ah k, that makes sense - I didn't know the name, and based on when I usually see that quote I'm guessing most others don't either.
ChuckNorris89 3y ago
If GTA would be affecting kids, then I should be out beating up hookers with a baseball bat to steal their cash, and shredding cop cars with a minigun.
- vuln 3y ago
  Not hookers per se but baseball bats… https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12268529/Baton-wielding-gangs-teenagers-ski-masks-attacking-moms-wealthy-San-Fran-area.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12268529/Baton-wiel... Lest we forget about the “Kia boys” https://www.theverge.com/23742425/kia-boys-car-theft-steal-tiktok-hyundai-usb https://www.theverge.com/23742425/kia-boys-car-theft-steal-t...
  - yurishimo 3y ago
    And in the US, kids bring guns to school? What's your point? There are always bad actors in every society. There is zero link to vieogames being a driving factor in 99.9% of volient acts.
    - vuln 3y ago
      > There are always bad actors in every society. There is zero link to vieogames being a driving factor in 99.9% of volient acts. Do you have any data to back up your wild claim of “99.9%” if so I’d love to read it.
  - anthk 3y ago
    The US was already sick-level violent without any need of videogames. Also, movies like The Orange Clockwork predate non-academic video games.

ChuckNorris89 3y ago

>So all the violence is being committed by 14 - 16 year olds? Close. "According to France's Interior Ministry, the average age of those arrested is 17."

orwin 3y ago

> So all the violence is being committed by 14 - 16 year olds Yes. 12 to 20 I'd say. It's a 17 yo who was murdered, and external cameras caught it. What's 'funny' is that a week prior, a 19 yo who worked with one of my d&d player was murdered in worst circumstances. Also, a way less divising profile. He was going to work, it was 5.30 Am, he worked his ass of to get out of the 'FJT' (basically a cheap hostel for poor, young workers w/o family support), and wanted to take evening classes in sales to not work as a temp all his life. Doing the same drive for a month or two, he was stopped by the police one morning. Then, like Nahel, killed from a bullet in the thorax. But since no camera were present, nothing will happen. France is like the US. If a cop stop you, start recording ASAP, it might save your life.

ImAnAmateur 3y ago
If it's not too much to ask, what was his name?

lost_tourist 3y ago

Almost all of the rioting was actually from teenagers and early twenties, that can't really be denied. They are restless youth and their hormones and brains react by breaking stuff instead of processing and communicating about it which a trait adults take a while to glom onto.