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That already exists - it’s called a video camera on almost every public area. Recording in public areas, unless the owner prohibits it, is almost always legal.

That already exists - it’s called a video camera on almost every public area. Recording in public areas, unless the owner prohibits it, is almost always legal. This primarily concerned individuals. Two people couldn’t meet and secretly record a conversation with the other without consent. Recording a private conversation you are personally involved in, without notification, is legal in almost all states.

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GloomyBoots 3y ago
Edit: I misread “legal” as “illegal” in the last sentence. Aren’t most states single-party consent? I know mine is, for which I’m grateful. I regularly record “private conversations” with state officials after having had incidents with them.
- gjsman-1000 3y ago
  These are the states generally requiring the consent of all parties: California, Connecticut, Delaware, Florida, Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Montana, Nevada, New Hampshire, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Vermont, and Washington. 15 states. Everyone else is single-party consent.
  - haroldp 3y ago
    Nevada is a single-party consent state.
  - EricE 3y ago
    Two party consent only protects the politicians - frankly I'm shocked it hasn't been forced in more states.
  - rootusrootus 3y ago
    This needs to be clarified as I think some people will misunderstand. Oregon is a one party consent state for phone conversations. The all-party consent only applies to in person.
  - loeg 3y ago
    In Washington you don't need the other parties' consent (in the lay sense of the word) if you announce that you are recording and they continue talking. RCW 9.73.030 (3): > Where consent by all parties is needed pursuant to this chapter, consent shall be considered obtained whenever one party has announced to all other parties engaged in the communication or conversation, in any reasonably effective manner, that such communication or conversation is about to be recorded or transmitted
jauntywundrkind 3y ago
You're conflating concerns. Random site, but from the section Is it legal to Record Audio on Security Cameras: > In most cases, it is not legal to record audio on security cameras unless all parties are aware that you may be recording audio. https://www.upcounsel.com/audio-surveillance-laws-by-state https://www.upcounsel.com/audio-surveillance-laws-by-state Notably most video cameras don't include audio. Because it's a legal liability & it's simply easier to prove your camera cant record audio than to have a feature that's disabled. Audio recording is incredibly un-popular. But yes, still, in quite a number of states it's possible to go around putting audio recordings in public. 0 party consent in public. But even that's not what Veritas did at all. They went into private offices of other people & secretly recorded conservations. People being asked questions thought they were dealing with crazy people & were afraid for their safety, they have testified. Giles dressed as a prostitute & O'Keefe semi-claimed to be a boyfriend, and walked into offices in 7 states (and DC) and pressured staff into talking about illegal businesses. They did as much as they could to, while secretly recording, get people to say bad things. One person being attacked like swore under oath that they feared for their safety & were scared. One said they thought it was a joke. One of them played along, feeling sorry for Giles who said she was being injured by her pimp, and then called the police because she was propositioned about setting up under-age sex trade operations. This farce brought down one of the biggest international collectivist organization on the planet, by ambushing these people with secret recordings & cherry picking the worst things to hurt them with. This whole case is about people recording each other in private. That's the whole purpose of this law: to defend against assault by advanced persistent Vertias like aggressor threats (and lower/simpler forms of scummery).
- abfan1127 3y ago
  do you have more info on the Veritas behaviors?
  - jauntywundrkind 3y ago
    I'd love to have a totally crystal clear source telling how incredibly viciously sadly Vertias ambushed people. I scanned around some, and one Timbah.On.Truth has a >2 hour 2-part series seemingly going through what evidence we have of what really happened. (Apologies, still unvetted, but it's the best tone/balance & most contentful I've seen so far & running out of time to dig for this.) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8buQLy1dWD8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8buQLy1dWD8 But as for how this incident was landed / portrayed, what a spectacle it made at the time: Rachel Maddow's coverage is short & shows how it was bandihooed across Fox News. This was like a major spectacle in right-wing American media for a considerably long time, and it's hard to underemphasize how heavily Fox & others worked with O'Keefe to sell this manufactured story. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0B0wxt3XYc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0B0wxt3XYc I do want to point out, we never got most of the footage. There are many many hours, perhaps even days of footage & audio O'Keefe & Giles recorded doing this sort of stuff, trying to cause trouble. They spent an enormous amount of time trying to generate soundbytes. Also notably, never once was anyone of any supervisor or leadership position taken by these bits; all the juicy sound-bytes O'Keefe got were from pretty low level employees, of an organization with over 1200 neighborhood chapters in the US.

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GloomyBoots 3y ago

Edit: I misread “legal” as “illegal” in the last sentence. Aren’t most states single-party consent? I know mine is, for which I’m grateful. I regularly record “private conversations” with state officials after having had incidents with them.

gjsman-1000 3y ago
These are the states generally requiring the consent of all parties: California, Connecticut, Delaware, Florida, Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Montana, Nevada, New Hampshire, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Vermont, and Washington. 15 states. Everyone else is single-party consent.
- haroldp 3y ago
  Nevada is a single-party consent state.
- EricE 3y ago
  Two party consent only protects the politicians - frankly I'm shocked it hasn't been forced in more states.
- rootusrootus 3y ago
  This needs to be clarified as I think some people will misunderstand. Oregon is a one party consent state for phone conversations. The all-party consent only applies to in person.
- loeg 3y ago
  In Washington you don't need the other parties' consent (in the lay sense of the word) if you announce that you are recording and they continue talking. RCW 9.73.030 (3): > Where consent by all parties is needed pursuant to this chapter, consent shall be considered obtained whenever one party has announced to all other parties engaged in the communication or conversation, in any reasonably effective manner, that such communication or conversation is about to be recorded or transmitted

jauntywundrkind 3y ago

You're conflating concerns. Random site, but from the section Is it legal to Record Audio on Security Cameras: > In most cases, it is not legal to record audio on security cameras unless all parties are aware that you may be recording audio. https://www.upcounsel.com/audio-surveillance-laws-by-state https://www.upcounsel.com/audio-surveillance-laws-by-state Notably most video cameras don't include audio. Because it's a legal liability & it's simply easier to prove your camera cant record audio than to have a feature that's disabled. Audio recording is incredibly un-popular. But yes, still, in quite a number of states it's possible to go around putting audio recordings in public. 0 party consent in public. But even that's not what Veritas did at all. They went into private offices of other people & secretly recorded conservations. People being asked questions thought they were dealing with crazy people & were afraid for their safety, they have testified. Giles dressed as a prostitute & O'Keefe semi-claimed to be a boyfriend, and walked into offices in 7 states (and DC) and pressured staff into talking about illegal businesses. They did as much as they could to, while secretly recording, get people to say bad things. One person being attacked like swore under oath that they feared for their safety & were scared. One said they thought it was a joke. One of them played along, feeling sorry for Giles who said she was being injured by her pimp, and then called the police because she was propositioned about setting up under-age sex trade operations. This farce brought down one of the biggest international collectivist organization on the planet, by ambushing these people with secret recordings & cherry picking the worst things to hurt them with. This whole case is about people recording each other in private. That's the whole purpose of this law: to defend against assault by advanced persistent Vertias like aggressor threats (and lower/simpler forms of scummery).

abfan1127 3y ago
do you have more info on the Veritas behaviors?
- jauntywundrkind 3y ago
  I'd love to have a totally crystal clear source telling how incredibly viciously sadly Vertias ambushed people. I scanned around some, and one Timbah.On.Truth has a >2 hour 2-part series seemingly going through what evidence we have of what really happened. (Apologies, still unvetted, but it's the best tone/balance & most contentful I've seen so far & running out of time to dig for this.) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8buQLy1dWD8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8buQLy1dWD8 But as for how this incident was landed / portrayed, what a spectacle it made at the time: Rachel Maddow's coverage is short & shows how it was bandihooed across Fox News. This was like a major spectacle in right-wing American media for a considerably long time, and it's hard to underemphasize how heavily Fox & others worked with O'Keefe to sell this manufactured story. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0B0wxt3XYc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0B0wxt3XYc I do want to point out, we never got most of the footage. There are many many hours, perhaps even days of footage & audio O'Keefe & Giles recorded doing this sort of stuff, trying to cause trouble. They spent an enormous amount of time trying to generate soundbytes. Also notably, never once was anyone of any supervisor or leadership position taken by these bits; all the juicy sound-bytes O'Keefe got were from pretty low level employees, of an organization with over 1200 neighborhood chapters in the US.