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I find this part super interesting: > He describes studies that have found a substantial delay in the reaction time of people talking on their cell phone while

I find this part super interesting: > He describes studies that have found a substantial delay in the reaction time of people talking on their cell phone while driving --- or even just holding conversations with someone in the car while driving. A similar delay has not been found in these studies when the driver is doing more passive activities such as listening to the radio or an audio book; it is the need to focus on a conversation that limits the working memory's ability to effectively support driving at the same time. When your mind is holding items in working memory, that means that it has less space to focus and execute effectively on the main task at hand. Just writing things down gives some resolution of that task/thought so that we can fully show up for our main thing. Working on a new notepad for jotting things down to free up working memory. The goal is to make it easy to capture things and add some organization when you want. Curious to get feedback. https://www.stashpad.com/blog/working-memory https://www.stashpad.com/blog/working-memory

ChrisClark 3y ago
As a personal anecdote, a long time ago I tried learning Chinese from a CD on my commute. I gave up after a couple of days because I realized it was affecting my driving. I needed a lot of concentration to practice the language and found I was making driving mistakes.
JohnFen 3y ago
This might also explain why simply having a passenger in your car with you will impair your driving. You're probably paying some amount of attention to the passenger.
- 8n4vidtmkvmk 3y ago
  I tell my wife to shush when I'm approaching a difficult intersection. She gets it.
  - JohnFen 3y ago
    My code phrase is "just a minute" -- a phrase I developed a habit for when people want to interrupt me at work when I'm not in a place where I can safely pause.
    - Arrath 3y ago
      Even if I'm doing something so simple as writing out a label (we just packed up to move, so its fresh on my mind) and my GF says something to me, I won't respond until I get done writing it out. She gives me shit and says I can't multitask, but dammit let me focus.
      - JohnFen 3y ago
        > She gives me shit and says I can't multitask She's right, you can't multitask. Nobody can, really, at least without doing everything poorly. That includes her.
- chrisco255 3y ago
  If it's an adult passenger though, they will often help you watch the road.
  - JohnFen 3y ago
    You have a better class of passengers than I! I've never had one that was helpful in such a way (although I've had a few that thought they were.)
    - Swizec 3y ago
      > I've never had one that was helpful in such a way Had a fun moment with this just yesterday. We were driving across a road behind a line of cars stopped at a red light. The angle was such that I couldn't see the oncoming lane. I go "Hey I can't see around these cars but you can, is anyone approaching?" and my passenger replies "No, all clear". We move forward slowly and ZOOM a car whooshes past us. So yeah, I don't think passengers are paying attention even when they say they are.
      - lacrimacida 3y ago
        Trust no one, you’re solely in charge when behind the steering wheel. At least till cars start becoming fully autonomous but then who is to be held responsible if something goes bad..
version_five 3y ago
I'm a person who thinks very deeply about stuff and that often includes latching on to something that was either said or I thought of during a conversation and then zoning out and thinking about that (just for context). When I was younger I was single and almost never had passengers in my car. I rarely talked on my phone (before we were forced to be hands free) but occasionally I would and I'd say overall did not find having it in my hand a particular distraction (honestly what would that have to do with anything). Anyway, I remember when "bans" came into effect and put my phone on bluetooth. I was talking to my mom on the speakerphone in the car, and suddenly realized I'd gone through a red light, and realized I'd better hang up and drive. Tldr, for me anyway it's being on the phone that's distracting because it, as mentioned above, gets me thinking about other stuff, and I actually find talking to the air more confusing than either phone to ear or a person in the car. Though I routinely tell my wife to stop talking when I'm driving in traffic (I don't mean this as a joke) because I find it too distracting to be involved in conversation when I need to think about driving. Obviously I'm a shitty multitasker but I suspect this is true to some extent for most people.
rifty 3y ago
Just a heads up, I can use 'Delete current stash' on the Trash stash which then places Trash as an entry inside of itself. Two potential outcomes of this is: - If I use 'Empty trash' it removes Trash entirely such that 'Go to Trash (deleted)' or 'Delete' no longer does anything until restarting the app. - If I use 'Delete' on the Trash entry inside of itself it will crash the app. Found this using the Apple Silicon version
- cborenstein 3y ago
  Oomf thanks for reporting this - on it!
balder1991 3y ago
I’ve been recently using a notes app for gathering information that is somewhat structured, but I realized sometimes I need something for temporary messy stuff, and it does help a lot. Now I’m thinking maybe the ideal is to have at least two types of notes: * The messy more ephemeral stuff you’ll probably delete later. * The more structured and summarized stuff you’ll review from time to time and adapt to your latest understanding of it.
- kian 3y ago
  If only there was something that you could speak or write notes into that structured them for you.
  - lacrimacida 3y ago
    You help your memory when you structure it yourself
    - kian 3y ago
      This is very true. And it seems to work even better when done by hand instead of typed or cut and pasted.
  - mejutoco 3y ago
    Not everyone can afford personal assistants.
    - kian 3y ago
      I agree. I was (poorly) hinting at the desire for a product that would act as such.
nine_k 3y ago
Almost every project directory of mine has an org mode file for notes, references, snippets, etc. Otherwise it's too hard.
- firewolf34 3y ago
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techwizrd 3y ago
I work in aviation safety research, and there are many problems we reduce to "task overload." Pilots and ATC are under an incredible workload and often required to multiple things at once. We have more and more things to monitor and many things vying for attention. There are also a litany of issues such as staff shortages and busy airspace and software issues that exacerbate the mental workload placed upon them. It also does not help we place most of the burden and responsibility of safe operation onto pilots and ATC. Unfortunately, we lack the tools to quell the information overload and focus on the most impactful items in the OODA loop. We also often lack data and even the right vocabulary/taxonomy to make statistical conclusions about how much is too much.
- unixhero 3y ago
  An area ripe for gradient descent
deamanto 3y ago
>When your mind is holding items in working memory, that means that it has less space to focus and execute effectively on the main task at hand. >Just writing things down gives some resolution of that task/thought so that we can fully show up for our main thing. Anecdotal but there was a time in my life not too long ago where I found myself stressed out because I had so many life admin tasks to do but would also have to remember not only the task, but what I had to do, when I could do it, how far along it was. I was unable to sleep properly and day to day tasks were being affected. It sounds so bloody simple in hindsight, but simply writing them into a kanban style app removed a lot of this stress. Every time I remembered I had to do something new I would just add it to the board. I also have issues with starting these tasks so while it's never going to be finished, at least the tasks are there and not in my brain
- temporallobe 3y ago
  I had a similar problem. I now maintain a simple TODO note on my phone and organize the items by priority sections (Now, Soon, and Eventually). I check off the items once I’m done and remove them after a while. This does a few things: - Relieves the stress of having to remember random stuff that comes up during the day - Allows me prioritize my worries… the “Eventually” category usually consists of lower-priority things that would have low impact if I didn’t get them done soon (or at all in some cases) - Gives me a sense of accomplishment when I check off an item I like this better than the iOS Reminders app since I have more control over various things (with a huge disadvantage of it not being time/date-aware.
  - hb0ss 3y ago
    I use a similar method, but implemented in iOS reminders. I have different lists for the different categories. And now with a smart list I have created a category/list "this week" that lists actionable items with a due date within the next 7-days. [1] This is loosely based on GTD [2] [1] https://www.macintoshhowto.com/gtd/gtd-with-apple-reminders.html https://www.macintoshhowto.com/gtd/gtd-with-apple-reminders.... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Getting_Things_Done https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Getting_Things_Done
  - 3y ago
szundi 3y ago
Very simplistic and nicely working. I could drag up the edit box to get it bigger, but maybe you should just let is almost to the top, not completely to the top, as dragging it down interferes with the iOS notifications drag down. Cheers!
katzenversteher 3y ago
I found that when I listen to something interesting while driving a car, let's say an audio book or something in the radio unconscious mind seems to drive the car on autopilot. If I'm lucky I arrive at my destination without remembering anything about the ride. If I'm unlucky my unconscious autopilot does something stupid like taking a wrong turn or blindly following a sight to the Autobahn (but the wrong one) and I suddenly realize "I have no idea where I am" and have to fix this. In the latter case I'm completely unable to focus on the audio book or radio any more until I'm in known terrain again.

ChrisClark 3y ago

As a personal anecdote, a long time ago I tried learning Chinese from a CD on my commute. I gave up after a couple of days because I realized it was affecting my driving. I needed a lot of concentration to practice the language and found I was making driving mistakes.

JohnFen 3y ago

This might also explain why simply having a passenger in your car with you will impair your driving. You're probably paying some amount of attention to the passenger.

8n4vidtmkvmk 3y ago
I tell my wife to shush when I'm approaching a difficult intersection. She gets it.
- JohnFen 3y ago
  My code phrase is "just a minute" -- a phrase I developed a habit for when people want to interrupt me at work when I'm not in a place where I can safely pause.
  - Arrath 3y ago
    Even if I'm doing something so simple as writing out a label (we just packed up to move, so its fresh on my mind) and my GF says something to me, I won't respond until I get done writing it out. She gives me shit and says I can't multitask, but dammit let me focus.
    - JohnFen 3y ago
      > She gives me shit and says I can't multitask She's right, you can't multitask. Nobody can, really, at least without doing everything poorly. That includes her.
chrisco255 3y ago
If it's an adult passenger though, they will often help you watch the road.
- JohnFen 3y ago
  You have a better class of passengers than I! I've never had one that was helpful in such a way (although I've had a few that thought they were.)
  - Swizec 3y ago
    > I've never had one that was helpful in such a way Had a fun moment with this just yesterday. We were driving across a road behind a line of cars stopped at a red light. The angle was such that I couldn't see the oncoming lane. I go "Hey I can't see around these cars but you can, is anyone approaching?" and my passenger replies "No, all clear". We move forward slowly and ZOOM a car whooshes past us. So yeah, I don't think passengers are paying attention even when they say they are.
    - lacrimacida 3y ago
      Trust no one, you’re solely in charge when behind the steering wheel. At least till cars start becoming fully autonomous but then who is to be held responsible if something goes bad..

version_five 3y ago

I'm a person who thinks very deeply about stuff and that often includes latching on to something that was either said or I thought of during a conversation and then zoning out and thinking about that (just for context). When I was younger I was single and almost never had passengers in my car. I rarely talked on my phone (before we were forced to be hands free) but occasionally I would and I'd say overall did not find having it in my hand a particular distraction (honestly what would that have to do with anything). Anyway, I remember when "bans" came into effect and put my phone on bluetooth. I was talking to my mom on the speakerphone in the car, and suddenly realized I'd gone through a red light, and realized I'd better hang up and drive. Tldr, for me anyway it's being on the phone that's distracting because it, as mentioned above, gets me thinking about other stuff, and I actually find talking to the air more confusing than either phone to ear or a person in the car. Though I routinely tell my wife to stop talking when I'm driving in traffic (I don't mean this as a joke) because I find it too distracting to be involved in conversation when I need to think about driving. Obviously I'm a shitty multitasker but I suspect this is true to some extent for most people.

rifty 3y ago

Just a heads up, I can use 'Delete current stash' on the Trash stash which then places Trash as an entry inside of itself. Two potential outcomes of this is: - If I use 'Empty trash' it removes Trash entirely such that 'Go to Trash (deleted)' or 'Delete' no longer does anything until restarting the app. - If I use 'Delete' on the Trash entry inside of itself it will crash the app. Found this using the Apple Silicon version

cborenstein 3y ago
Oomf thanks for reporting this - on it!

balder1991 3y ago

I’ve been recently using a notes app for gathering information that is somewhat structured, but I realized sometimes I need something for temporary messy stuff, and it does help a lot. Now I’m thinking maybe the ideal is to have at least two types of notes: * The messy more ephemeral stuff you’ll probably delete later. * The more structured and summarized stuff you’ll review from time to time and adapt to your latest understanding of it.

kian 3y ago
If only there was something that you could speak or write notes into that structured them for you.
- lacrimacida 3y ago
  You help your memory when you structure it yourself
  - kian 3y ago
    This is very true. And it seems to work even better when done by hand instead of typed or cut and pasted.
- mejutoco 3y ago
  Not everyone can afford personal assistants.
  - kian 3y ago
    I agree. I was (poorly) hinting at the desire for a product that would act as such.

nine_k 3y ago

Almost every project directory of mine has an org mode file for notes, references, snippets, etc. Otherwise it's too hard.

firewolf34 3y ago
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techwizrd 3y ago

I work in aviation safety research, and there are many problems we reduce to "task overload." Pilots and ATC are under an incredible workload and often required to multiple things at once. We have more and more things to monitor and many things vying for attention. There are also a litany of issues such as staff shortages and busy airspace and software issues that exacerbate the mental workload placed upon them. It also does not help we place most of the burden and responsibility of safe operation onto pilots and ATC. Unfortunately, we lack the tools to quell the information overload and focus on the most impactful items in the OODA loop. We also often lack data and even the right vocabulary/taxonomy to make statistical conclusions about how much is too much.

unixhero 3y ago
An area ripe for gradient descent

deamanto 3y ago

>When your mind is holding items in working memory, that means that it has less space to focus and execute effectively on the main task at hand. >Just writing things down gives some resolution of that task/thought so that we can fully show up for our main thing. Anecdotal but there was a time in my life not too long ago where I found myself stressed out because I had so many life admin tasks to do but would also have to remember not only the task, but what I had to do, when I could do it, how far along it was. I was unable to sleep properly and day to day tasks were being affected. It sounds so bloody simple in hindsight, but simply writing them into a kanban style app removed a lot of this stress. Every time I remembered I had to do something new I would just add it to the board. I also have issues with starting these tasks so while it's never going to be finished, at least the tasks are there and not in my brain

temporallobe 3y ago
I had a similar problem. I now maintain a simple TODO note on my phone and organize the items by priority sections (Now, Soon, and Eventually). I check off the items once I’m done and remove them after a while. This does a few things: - Relieves the stress of having to remember random stuff that comes up during the day - Allows me prioritize my worries… the “Eventually” category usually consists of lower-priority things that would have low impact if I didn’t get them done soon (or at all in some cases) - Gives me a sense of accomplishment when I check off an item I like this better than the iOS Reminders app since I have more control over various things (with a huge disadvantage of it not being time/date-aware.
- hb0ss 3y ago
  I use a similar method, but implemented in iOS reminders. I have different lists for the different categories. And now with a smart list I have created a category/list "this week" that lists actionable items with a due date within the next 7-days. [1] This is loosely based on GTD [2] [1] https://www.macintoshhowto.com/gtd/gtd-with-apple-reminders.html https://www.macintoshhowto.com/gtd/gtd-with-apple-reminders.... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Getting_Things_Done https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Getting_Things_Done
- 3y ago

szundi 3y ago

Very simplistic and nicely working. I could drag up the edit box to get it bigger, but maybe you should just let is almost to the top, not completely to the top, as dragging it down interferes with the iOS notifications drag down. Cheers!

katzenversteher 3y ago

I found that when I listen to something interesting while driving a car, let's say an audio book or something in the radio unconscious mind seems to drive the car on autopilot. If I'm lucky I arrive at my destination without remembering anything about the ride. If I'm unlucky my unconscious autopilot does something stupid like taking a wrong turn or blindly following a sight to the Autobahn (but the wrong one) and I suddenly realize "I have no idea where I am" and have to fix this. In the latter case I'm completely unable to focus on the audio book or radio any more until I'm in known terrain again.