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was it really constructive for this pioneering tech to choose the actual "devil" as a logo? then the move to shiny plastic look for the logo? long-standing pu

was it really constructive for this pioneering tech to choose the actual "devil" as a logo? then the move to shiny plastic look for the logo? long-standing public divisions with no end.. niche opinionated choices sure, but dont be surprised at the results.

Jtsummers 3y ago
Is anyone actually offended by a mascot based on a joke about "Unix daemon"? Do they just not get the joke or are they really that sensitive? I imagine it's the same sort of person that opposes table top games like Dungeons & Dragons and shares out Chick tracts (often highly offensive and rude, ostensibly Christian, cartoon tracts denouncing Catholics, Jews, and Muslims, in particular, as well as other groups; we had someone leaving them in our office for a while).
- fluoridation 3y ago
  Apparently a tiny minority of people are bothered by it. I was looking for information about the logo a few weeks ago and stumbled upon this anecdote: https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-chat/2011-November/006642.html https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-chat/2011-Novemb... >I just got a call from the owner of a hotel for which we provide hotspot service. She says that a guest spotted the "Powered by FreeBSD" logo at the bottom of the login page, and was offended; the guest was convinced that either we or the hotel management "worshipped the Devil" and refused to stay at the hotel unless the logo was removed.
  - wkat4242 3y ago
    If you really search for it, you will always find someone offended by anything. Only a few years ago there was this German guy that bullied VS Code into removing their cutesy Santa hat which doesn't even have any religious context, it's originally a coca cola thing :') Anyway, having ubiquitous usage is not a goal of FreeBSD. People are free not to use it if they don't feel like it. I guess there's not much overlap in people being offended by penguins and those offended by daemons so I might have another suggestion :P
    - sph 3y ago
      What is truly laughable is Microsoft removing the Santa hat because of a lunatic. https://github.com/microsoft/vscode/issues/87268 https://github.com/microsoft/vscode/issues/87268 Anyone is free to have an opinion, including not paying any attention to idiots and intolerants.
- jen20 3y ago
  A tale I have heard several times: - Company admits to using FreeBSD. - Christian groups who are shareholders complain at the execs - FreeBSD is no longer used at the company. CockroachDB has a similar naming problem, though that tends to be the execs themselves objecting.
codehalo 3y ago
Well, blame the daemon being a background process… but yes, marketing wasn’t a consideration back then.
kjs3 3y ago
It's a daemon [1]. Like the process. 30 years ago it wasn't divisive nor a niche opinionated choice. Kinda the obvious choice. But I guess some people really want it to be [2]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BSD_Daemon https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BSD_Daemon [2] https://www.ign.com/articles/someone-complained-to-ad-standards-that-a-diablo-4-billboard-reminded-them-of-the-hell-of-lockdown https://www.ign.com/articles/someone-complained-to-ad-standa...
wkat4242 3y ago
It's not a devil but a daemon and I don't think this has ever caused people to not use it. I mean beastie is super cute and wears green sneakers. You'd have to be really hardcore religious like Amish to take that seriously and they abhor computers anyway :) I like the new logo too. It's just a ball with two cones really.
assimpleaspossi 3y ago
Created by John Lasseter who also directed Toy Story. Do you want to question the beginnings of Toy Story, too? Do you also hate Jesus?!!!
- mistrial9 3y ago
  [flagged]
  - redundantly 3y ago
    Odd that you felt it necessary to copy and paste the rules without fully reading them. > Don't feed egregious comments by replying; flag them instead. Frankly, your wall of text is less helpful to the discussion here than the comment you're replying to. Note: I have no opinion on what you and the other commenter are talking about.
    - assimpleaspossi 3y ago
      The first sentence of my post is fact. The second is commentary. The third is a joke. Apparently he doesn't get the joke.
- ybloviator 3y ago
  [citation needed] (not in a snarky way, I want the story!)
  - Jtsummers 3y ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BSD_Daemon https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BSD_Daemon It's described a bit here.

Jtsummers 3y ago

Is anyone actually offended by a mascot based on a joke about "Unix daemon"? Do they just not get the joke or are they really that sensitive? I imagine it's the same sort of person that opposes table top games like Dungeons & Dragons and shares out Chick tracts (often highly offensive and rude, ostensibly Christian, cartoon tracts denouncing Catholics, Jews, and Muslims, in particular, as well as other groups; we had someone leaving them in our office for a while).

fluoridation 3y ago
Apparently a tiny minority of people are bothered by it. I was looking for information about the logo a few weeks ago and stumbled upon this anecdote: https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-chat/2011-November/006642.html https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-chat/2011-Novemb... >I just got a call from the owner of a hotel for which we provide hotspot service. She says that a guest spotted the "Powered by FreeBSD" logo at the bottom of the login page, and was offended; the guest was convinced that either we or the hotel management "worshipped the Devil" and refused to stay at the hotel unless the logo was removed.
- wkat4242 3y ago
  If you really search for it, you will always find someone offended by anything. Only a few years ago there was this German guy that bullied VS Code into removing their cutesy Santa hat which doesn't even have any religious context, it's originally a coca cola thing :') Anyway, having ubiquitous usage is not a goal of FreeBSD. People are free not to use it if they don't feel like it. I guess there's not much overlap in people being offended by penguins and those offended by daemons so I might have another suggestion :P
  - sph 3y ago
    What is truly laughable is Microsoft removing the Santa hat because of a lunatic. https://github.com/microsoft/vscode/issues/87268 https://github.com/microsoft/vscode/issues/87268 Anyone is free to have an opinion, including not paying any attention to idiots and intolerants.
jen20 3y ago
A tale I have heard several times: - Company admits to using FreeBSD. - Christian groups who are shareholders complain at the execs - FreeBSD is no longer used at the company. CockroachDB has a similar naming problem, though that tends to be the execs themselves objecting.

codehalo 3y ago

Well, blame the daemon being a background process… but yes, marketing wasn’t a consideration back then.

kjs3 3y ago

It's a daemon [1]. Like the process. 30 years ago it wasn't divisive nor a niche opinionated choice. Kinda the obvious choice. But I guess some people really want it to be [2]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BSD_Daemon https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BSD_Daemon [2] https://www.ign.com/articles/someone-complained-to-ad-standards-that-a-diablo-4-billboard-reminded-them-of-the-hell-of-lockdown https://www.ign.com/articles/someone-complained-to-ad-standa...

wkat4242 3y ago

It's not a devil but a daemon and I don't think this has ever caused people to not use it. I mean beastie is super cute and wears green sneakers. You'd have to be really hardcore religious like Amish to take that seriously and they abhor computers anyway :) I like the new logo too. It's just a ball with two cones really.

assimpleaspossi 3y ago

Created by John Lasseter who also directed Toy Story. Do you want to question the beginnings of Toy Story, too? Do you also hate Jesus?!!!

mistrial9 3y ago
[flagged]
- redundantly 3y ago
  Odd that you felt it necessary to copy and paste the rules without fully reading them. > Don't feed egregious comments by replying; flag them instead. Frankly, your wall of text is less helpful to the discussion here than the comment you're replying to. Note: I have no opinion on what you and the other commenter are talking about.
  - assimpleaspossi 3y ago
    The first sentence of my post is fact. The second is commentary. The third is a joke. Apparently he doesn't get the joke.
ybloviator 3y ago
[citation needed] (not in a snarky way, I want the story!)
- Jtsummers 3y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BSD_Daemon https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BSD_Daemon It's described a bit here.