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> due to inexperience with dopamine and its effects on dopamine production, being easier to condition, FOMO. I don't understand the reasoning in performing thi

> due to inexperience with dopamine and its effects on dopamine production, being easier to condition, FOMO. I don't understand the reasoning in performing this type of deep analysis. If the purpose of the device is to enhance education, it can be in the classroom. If it it's not, it's essentially a toy, and it has no place in the classroom. Why even bring dopamine in to it?

im3w1l 3y ago
A device made with the best of intentions and with many helpful features for enhancing education may turn out to have harmful consequences in practice. Those harmful consequences typically include temptations to have fun instead of productivity and learning. And that's where all those concepts you quote come in.
- akira2501 3y ago
  That sounds like a concern for teachers making lesson plans, and not for general student expectations.
  - aiisjustanif 3y ago
    That sounds like an ideal world where devices don’t garner attention to make more profit.
- pas 3y ago
  outcomes matter, intentions don't really. if a device leads to bad outcomes, then it's by definition not a good tool for education in the typical classroom setting. of course it might make sense to then have a very different class that deals with the whole problem of supercharged dependence forming devices and activities.
- LocalH 3y ago
  The need to separate “fun” from “productivity and learning” is part of the problem. Make learning fun and engaging.
  - daymanstep 3y ago
    A program designed to be fun while also being somewhat educational will never outcompete a game designed to be as fun as possible without regard for educational value.
amelius 3y ago
Perhaps schools should simply have an extra set of mobile phones that are specifically designed for education only. That way, every student has access to the device, and every student will have the same device, and there is no risk that the device is used for e.g. watching tiktok. Mobile phones are cheap enough for this to be a reality.
Nasrudith 3y ago
Because they are a bunch of willful ignorants following buzzword-infused neo-puritanism? Not only is anything pleasurable bad for you so is pleasure itself!

im3w1l 3y ago

A device made with the best of intentions and with many helpful features for enhancing education may turn out to have harmful consequences in practice. Those harmful consequences typically include temptations to have fun instead of productivity and learning. And that's where all those concepts you quote come in.

akira2501 3y ago
That sounds like a concern for teachers making lesson plans, and not for general student expectations.
- aiisjustanif 3y ago
  That sounds like an ideal world where devices don’t garner attention to make more profit.
pas 3y ago
outcomes matter, intentions don't really. if a device leads to bad outcomes, then it's by definition not a good tool for education in the typical classroom setting. of course it might make sense to then have a very different class that deals with the whole problem of supercharged dependence forming devices and activities.
LocalH 3y ago
The need to separate “fun” from “productivity and learning” is part of the problem. Make learning fun and engaging.
- daymanstep 3y ago
  A program designed to be fun while also being somewhat educational will never outcompete a game designed to be as fun as possible without regard for educational value.

amelius 3y ago

Perhaps schools should simply have an extra set of mobile phones that are specifically designed for education only. That way, every student has access to the device, and every student will have the same device, and there is no risk that the device is used for e.g. watching tiktok. Mobile phones are cheap enough for this to be a reality.

Nasrudith 3y ago

Because they are a bunch of willful ignorants following buzzword-infused neo-puritanism? Not only is anything pleasurable bad for you so is pleasure itself!