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Also these creators chose to release their work under an open source license. On them completely.

Dylan16807 3y ago
Whether someone should get paid is based on how much value their work has, not the price. Open source sets the price. It can be "on them" and also bad that it works this way.
- fluoridation 3y ago
  No, that's nonsense. The point of a price is to set expectations with regards to the obligations of both parties to avoid arguments after a transaction is complete. You say "give me $X and I'll give you this thing" and I can accept it, negotiate, or reject it. We both understand that this is a commercial transaction, that I'm supposed to give you money when you give me the thing, and that if I run into problems that you're supposed to give me support. If you just give me something without setting a price then it's not a commercial transaction and I don't have an obligation to pay nor do you have an obligation to support the good or service you sold to me. Or do you believe that every time someone gave you a present actually you were supposed to pay the gift-giver based on the value of the present?
  - Dylan16807 3y ago
    It's not an obligation on any person in particular, but someone that gives lots of genuinely useful gifts should get gifts back. Is that a controversial take? Though when you mention support, that's one route to improving the situation. It seems like most companies are unwilling to buy pure support, even though most of what they actually want is support. If paying for pure support was more normalized it would be very helpful to open source.
    - fluoridation 3y ago
      You're not talking about gifts, you're talking about a gift economy. If we lived in a pre-monetary society, we could use loose accounting to keep track of debts. I get fish from the fisherman, and in exchange I help fix his boat when needed. The village doctor heals everyone, and in exchange he gets stuff he needs from everyone. Someone can slack for a bit, but they do it for too long they'll accrue too high a debt and people will no longer give them things. Well, we don't live in a pre-monetary society and we don't use loose accounting, except with people we're close with and who we can trust.
      - Dylan16807 3y ago
        I'm saying they deserve value back even outside of a gift economy. In a monetary economy, contracts don't fit every situation, and someone deciding they don't want to make people pay for valuable code shouldn't ruin their ability to use that code as a "day job". We need to figure out better methods to reward useful work, as a society.
        altairprime 3y ago
        Or, we need to pay everyone a universal basic income, so that they don’t need to take revenue into account when choosing what value to contribute to society.

Whether someone should get paid is based on how much value their work has, not the price. Open source sets the price. It can be "on them" and also bad that it works this way.

fluoridation 3y ago
No, that's nonsense. The point of a price is to set expectations with regards to the obligations of both parties to avoid arguments after a transaction is complete. You say "give me $X and I'll give you this thing" and I can accept it, negotiate, or reject it. We both understand that this is a commercial transaction, that I'm supposed to give you money when you give me the thing, and that if I run into problems that you're supposed to give me support. If you just give me something without setting a price then it's not a commercial transaction and I don't have an obligation to pay nor do you have an obligation to support the good or service you sold to me. Or do you believe that every time someone gave you a present actually you were supposed to pay the gift-giver based on the value of the present?
- Dylan16807 3y ago
  It's not an obligation on any person in particular, but someone that gives lots of genuinely useful gifts should get gifts back. Is that a controversial take? Though when you mention support, that's one route to improving the situation. It seems like most companies are unwilling to buy pure support, even though most of what they actually want is support. If paying for pure support was more normalized it would be very helpful to open source.
  - fluoridation 3y ago
    You're not talking about gifts, you're talking about a gift economy. If we lived in a pre-monetary society, we could use loose accounting to keep track of debts. I get fish from the fisherman, and in exchange I help fix his boat when needed. The village doctor heals everyone, and in exchange he gets stuff he needs from everyone. Someone can slack for a bit, but they do it for too long they'll accrue too high a debt and people will no longer give them things. Well, we don't live in a pre-monetary society and we don't use loose accounting, except with people we're close with and who we can trust.
    - Dylan16807 3y ago
      I'm saying they deserve value back even outside of a gift economy. In a monetary economy, contracts don't fit every situation, and someone deciding they don't want to make people pay for valuable code shouldn't ruin their ability to use that code as a "day job". We need to figure out better methods to reward useful work, as a society.
      - altairprime 3y ago
        Or, we need to pay everyone a universal basic income, so that they don’t need to take revenue into account when choosing what value to contribute to society.