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Realized 10+ years ago that the only way I could have my kids grow up addiction-free was if they didn't have a smartphone/tablet and the only credible way I cou
by throw_pm23 3y ago
Realized 10+ years ago that the only way I could have my kids grow up addiction-free was if they didn't have a smartphone/tablet and the only credible way I could ask this from them was if I also didn't have one.
In hindsight one of the best decisions of my life, sadly becoming more and more difficult to maintain as banking, public transportation, restaurants, and all other parts of life increasingly assume you carry a smartphone.
- namanyayg 3y agoGreat commitment. What about work tho, do you only work while sitting down in front of your workstation then?
- tokai 3y ago>only work while sitting down in front of your workstation As you should no matter if you have a smart phone or not.
- eur0pa 3y agoAs it should be
- throw_pm23 3y agoNot sure which typical workplaces require smartphone use (I'm sure there are many), but indeed, in my case, I work either at the computer or in front of people or walking up and down while thinking :)
- MattGaiser 3y agoI would have thought any using 2FA for anything would essentially require it.
- derwiki 3y agoYubikey is a good alternative
- throw_pm23 3y agoI haven't yet encountered situations with mandatory 2FA, but indeed, this is the kind of thing I expect to become widespread, making it more and more difficult to those without a smartphone.
- ghaff 3y agoCompany TFA is less of a problem than other things as they’ll use a token rather than SMS and you can always use a hardware token. I have a soft token on my phone but it’s not required.
- arp242 3y agoNot really; very few 2FA methods are tied to a specific smartphone app.
- Semaphor 3y agoYou can use a YubiKey for 2FA, I think even for TOTP, but as I am a Smartphone user, I use my phone when only TOTP is available.
- gsich 3y agoYou can use TOTP on your PC too.
- vitro 3y agoYou can have TOTP as a browser extension. Not saying you should, just that there is a possibility. A bonus is easier backup of secrets so loosing your phone does not lock you out.
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- tome 3y ago> What about work tho, do you only work while sitting down in front of your workstation then? This question is fascinating to me! What form of work requires using a smart phone?
- achenet 3y agoI know some tattoo artists that use their smartphones a lot for discussing ideas with clients, sharing images of their work, etc, via Instagram. Could in theory be done with a camera + computer, but probably easier with smartphone.
- goodbyesf 3y agoAny development work where uptime is important? Especially if SLA is involved. If your product has issues, the client bothers management and management will certainly want to bother you.
- ghaff 3y agoTo some degree you can be contactable when traveling or otherwise away from your desk with a feature phone but only partially. You’d certainly be that quirky person with the odd anti-smartphone habit.
- gspencley 3y agoAs a software eng something that bothers me is that every single employer that I have worked for has assumed that you would have no problem installing work-related software on your phone. The most common offender is MFA related software. I run GrapheneOS on my phone and don't have the Google Play stuff installed. And kind of the entire point of this is that I don't want to run proprietary, closed-source stuff on my phone at all. I also like not having a ton of bloatware/spyware installed by the manufacturer that I can't remove. So anyway, I usually protest and say that I can't, and that if I'm required to use a mobile device for work purposes then I need the company to provide me with one. Often arrangements can be made by requesting a device that can double for other work related functions. For example, I currently have a work-issued iPad with Okta Verify installed on it that also let's me reach for Safari and do iOS specific dev & testing when needed. But it does show the creep. Companies just assume that they can request that you use your mobile device for things that you otherwise wouldn't, and that you will have no problem complying. IMO saying either "I don't own a smartphone" or "I refuse to use my personal devices for work related purposes" should be a no-questions-asked accepted position. And while I've yet to be met with hostility by saying that, it is unfortunately such a minority position that it is almost always the first time they've heard an objection.
- gonehome 3y agoLots of respect for this - I’d guess your kids have it too. I often felt frustrated as a kid that adults took power and control over you and didn’t adhere to the same demands themselves.
- kelipso 3y agoSeems like contrived logic made by a kid who really wants something. Adults can drive, drink, etc.
- anjel 3y agoSimilarly, the emergent generation in American often reject learning to drive a car, as renunciation of the anthropocentric lifestyle.
- ilyt 3y agoI'd imagine it's more coz they can't afford it or have place to store it than anything else
- bobthepanda 3y agoNah, driving is also stressful and traffic is not fun. I’ve seen recently a fair amount of car enthusiasts start buying into the walkable cities/public transit mantra, because a car enthusiast does not find city/suburban stop and go traffic to be the thing they’re enthusiastic about.
- ilyt 3y agoRight but that didn't change in last 20 years. Cities that suck driving (and walking) in now sucked as much and more 20 years ago. It's not that that changed how much people want to have driving license.
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- browningstreet 3y agoMy college student still won't take a cell phone. His uni gave him an iPad but he leaves it home most of the time. It can happen. And since he doesn't have a cellphone, I don't pick mine up so much when we're hanging out together. Win-win.
- nixpulvis 3y agoI’m rather disturbed by the discompassion society has towards people without smartphones. Be it menus at restaurants, banking apps (as you mention), or even map availability. We just assume everyone is connected all the time and that phones never break or have issues. I feel crazy, because my phone is constantly misbehaving.
- TotalCrackpot 3y agoIndustrial society is coercive towards people that want to live more primitive life than one deem normal, that's essentially main thesis of anarcho-primitivists. Still, I don't think Luddites should ban for other people their technology. Why not ban electricity and cars too?
- xethos 3y agoI'm not asking others to give up smartphones, just like I'm not asking others to give up stairs or cars. I only want the world to remain accessible to those without. Keep paper menus, build a ramp, and maintain cycling or public transit infrastructure.
- TotalCrackpot 3y agoOk, I agree with that. I think there should be more effort put towards infrastructure for people with disabilities too.
- SoftTalker 3y agoI think this is overstated. I can't think of anything essential I cannot do without a smartphone or computer. You have to do it like it's 1985, which is foreign to the last generation or two, but it's still doable.
- logifail 3y ago> I can't think of anything essential I cannot do without a smartphone or computer [..] it's still doable Q: Have you never been to a restaurant which has done away with physical menus ("because Covid") and has a QR code which you're supposed to scan with your device?
- nologic01 3y ago> as banking, public transportation, restaurants, and all other parts of life increasingly assume you carry a smartphone People have not worked through the wide ranging implications of this "assumption", given who builds and controls everything about those devices.