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"No person in the United States shall, on the ground of race...be excluded from participation in, be denied the benefits of, or be subjected to discrimination u

by tyingq 3y ago

"No person in the United States shall, on the ground of race...be excluded from participation in, be denied the benefits of, or be subjected to discrimination under any program or activity receiving Federal financial assistance." That "Federal financial assistance" part puts it in scope. And "program or activity" specifically includes "(2)(A) a college, university, or other postsecondary institution".

nonethewiser 3y ago
I don’t understand how you’re positioning this. It seems like you’re saying they have extra compliance because they accept federal funds. I don’t disagree. So what? This has nothing to do with literacy tests. Are you suggesting legacy admissions discriminate by race? As I mentioned there is an unequal outcome but equal outcomes are not required.
- triceratops 3y ago
  > Are you suggesting legacy admissions discriminate by race? Other than adoptive children, people tend to be of the same race as their parents. How is it not racial discrimination?
- tyingq 3y ago
  > This has nothing to do with literacy tests I mentioned literacy tests as the restrictions put on them by the civil rights act are an illustrative example of the act calling out indirect discrimination. I understand they aren't directly related to college admissions. I could have used a contrived example. Like how height requirements could discriminate against women. But that's not mentioned in the act, while literacy tests are...so it's a better and more relevant example. It was in reply to this: "But you can favor people for other reasons, which may result in more people of a certain race. That doesnt violate the Civil Rights Act." Again, an example where that's not true. In that case "literacy tests" for voting were restricted, even through it's "other reasons" and indirect. The literacy tests have, as you say, "unequal outcomes". I'm not 100% convinced that legacy admissions would fall into the same category. But, I imagine many people are. In other words, I brought up the literacy tests as an example of something that contradicts your assertion, which I read as something like "only clear and direct discrimination is in scope for the civil rights act".

by tyingq 3y ago

nonethewiser 3y ago

I don’t understand how you’re positioning this. It seems like you’re saying they have extra compliance because they accept federal funds. I don’t disagree. So what? This has nothing to do with literacy tests. Are you suggesting legacy admissions discriminate by race? As I mentioned there is an unequal outcome but equal outcomes are not required.

triceratops 3y ago
> Are you suggesting legacy admissions discriminate by race? Other than adoptive children, people tend to be of the same race as their parents. How is it not racial discrimination?
tyingq 3y ago
> This has nothing to do with literacy tests I mentioned literacy tests as the restrictions put on them by the civil rights act are an illustrative example of the act calling out indirect discrimination. I understand they aren't directly related to college admissions. I could have used a contrived example. Like how height requirements could discriminate against women. But that's not mentioned in the act, while literacy tests are...so it's a better and more relevant example. It was in reply to this: "But you can favor people for other reasons, which may result in more people of a certain race. That doesnt violate the Civil Rights Act." Again, an example where that's not true. In that case "literacy tests" for voting were restricted, even through it's "other reasons" and indirect. The literacy tests have, as you say, "unequal outcomes". I'm not 100% convinced that legacy admissions would fall into the same category. But, I imagine many people are. In other words, I brought up the literacy tests as an example of something that contradicts your assertion, which I read as something like "only clear and direct discrimination is in scope for the civil rights act".