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Encyclopaedia Metallum
- cdme 3y agoAs someone who's used Metallic for ~15 years now it's one of those rare gems on the web — stable, basically unchanged technically and full of invaluable information for the loyal audience it's accumulated.
- dotspec 3y agoMetalium is really a fantastic resource and this is despite how gatekeep-y the people that run/maintain that site can be. The laundry list of bands they exclude because they deem them "not metal enough" is regularly baffling.
- troymc 3y agoThe site currently says, "There are currently 168268 bands..." Even spread over 20 years, that's a lot of bands to vet!
- mmierz 3y agoI still remember when they got to 10k bands. I think this must have been around 2003-2004. And people were speculating about whether there where another 10k metal bands in the world. Crazy.
- Semaphor 3y agoYeah, Zeal & Ardor [0] is one they feel very strongly [1] about. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeal_%26_Ardor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeal_%26_Ardor [1]: https://forum.metal-archives.com/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=129411 https://forum.metal-archives.com/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=129411
- iakov 3y agoTotally crazy. Zeal&Ardor is metal, the mental aerobics of the mods are very impressive. I guess like all mods - with few exceptions - they are on a power trip.
- Semaphor 3y agoI recently discovered them at angrymetalguy.com [0] (metal review blog), I agree ;) I wonder if there are drone doom bands they also disallow. [0]: https://www.angrymetalguy.com/zeal-ardor-zeal-ardor-things-you-might-have-missed-2022/ https://www.angrymetalguy.com/zeal-ardor-zeal-ardor-things-y...
- camel-cdr 3y agoMeanwhile these bands clearly are metal: https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ice_Ages/5014 https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ice_Ages/5014 https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Elend/1017 https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Elend/1017
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- idiocratic 3y agoOr maybe thanks to this strong moderation, not despite it.
- activitypea 3y agoThe exclusions such as Avenged Sevenfold are indeed baffling, but some of the asterisks are so hilarious, I think there was a facebook page collecting them at one point. Stuff like "Meshuggah is Djent which isn't metal (???), but the band will be included based on their earlier work which we consider to be technical thrash/groove metal".
- CapitalTntcls 3y agoI was enjoying the idea until I got to the rules. This gatekeeping is too much for my taste. There are so many good metal sub-genres, who are they to draw a line?
- cthalupa 3y ago>There are so many good metal sub-genres, who are they to draw a line? They explicitly state they are not the ultimate arbiters of what is and isn't metal, but they have a mission for the site and have to draw the line somewhere, and that's what they picked. But as for who they are to draw the line... they're the team that has built one of the largest and most informative databases of metal acts of all time. It's incomplete, it's arbitrary, it's subjective and biased, but even with all of that, it's indisputably something they should be monumentally proud of building.
- HeckFeck 3y agohttps://www.metal-archives.com/search?searchString=primus&type=band_name https://www.metal-archives.com/search?searchString=primus&ty... 0 results = sad Les Claypool face.
- Auguste 3y agoThey exclude pretty much every industrial metal band because industrial metal is ostensibly not metal enough. No Rob Zombie. No Rammstein. Meanwhile, they added psychedelic rock band King Gizzard & the Lizard Wizard and their whole discography (now up to 24 albums) solely because their 15th album was metal. I love King Gizz, but Metal Archives are disappointingly inconsistent.
- cthalupa 3y agoI dunno. There's a lot of stuff I would put on EM that they have decided not to allow, but I think Rob Zombie and Rammstein very clearly fall into the 'not metal' camp. I like both, but neither of them sound anything like metal to me, or to anyone I know that listens to metal in significant quantities. It's not like industrial is an instant deny, either - Fear Factory, Blut Aus Nord, Strapping Young Lad, etc etc etc are included. As for King Gizz, their rules are quite clear that one predominantly metal album is enough for inclusion.
- Auguste 3y agoThat's weird, I don't know anyone who wouldn't call Rammstein and Rob Zombie metal. Are they really not considered metal in some circles? Just curious, if they don't sound anything like metal to you, what kind of metal do you like to listen to? I mostly listen to doom metal, plus a little bit of death metal, industrial metal, and black metal.
- cthalupa 3y agoThrash, black, doom, death, power, nwobhm, a little bit of the various *cores, a billion permutations and fusions between all the above.
- rs999gti 3y ago> gatekeep-y the people that run/maintain that site can be I think it is just because people are getting old and tastes stop changing after a certain age. I'm getting up there in age and I think my taste in music ended somewhere in the mid-2000s. Everything past that point sounds like screamo, djent, Hatebreed copy cats, or screechy noise core.
- rollcat 3y ago> I think it is just because people are getting old and tastes stop changing after a certain age. I started with 70s-80s British heavy metal when I was 14, and in the past 20 years my music tastes have only been expanding. Most people I hang out with also tend to be curious about new (unfamiliar to them) music.
- Semaphor 3y agoFor users with a bang compatible search engine: !mab Love the site, I use it a lot.
- artyom 3y agoThis is one of the last remaining institutions from the good old Internet.
- mberning 3y agoIt is so painful to be reminded of a bygone era and how awesome it was. It didn’t matter if it was metal, cars, photography, whatever - there was a niche community for you. And it was amazing. Most that still exist are ghost towns. It’s like driving through a gutted midsize midwestern town that used to have manufacturing and industry, and now all they have is walmart and meth.
- noobermin 3y agoWhile this is a great resource as many have said, god were the forums such a fucking groupthinking, insular scene. The same goes for being so particular about what is metal and what isn't, with long debates (at the time) for who was tr00 or kvlt or not with mods who were on a powertrip. A good reminder of how bad forums were and how there were things about them that were better than the current web, it's not like it was all perfect.
- idiocratic 3y agoI disagree. They were such a great door into escapism and friendship for me, a standard guy from a small town in Italy with no metal friends at all until the internet came about. Forums in particular provided the opportunity of meeting people with very different backgrounds sharing similar music tastes, and it was also fun to argue about silly things like what is true and not true metal and getting banned by mods. I built amazing memories of road trips together, motorcycles, seeing bands and meeting each other somewhere basically every weekend. Not to say that what you experienced is not true, but it’s not the case for every forum out there for sure. Also, what made metalheads special was their status as a total outcasts of society, of course we were very much an insular culture. I miss the group spirit, the “family” side of all of this amazing subculture.
- noobermin 3y agoMay be a good rule for what determines how someone can enjoy things like small groups is how physical it is. For me, MA was an online-only thing I found through my love of metal, almost no one I knew loved metal, most who listened to rock-ish music at all loved the *-core brand of music (which was popular in the late 00s) which I specifically didn't like. In terms of chances to actually branch out and see bands (and perhaps meet other metal heads at the time) I couldn't as I a) couldn't drive and b) lived in America in the bible belt. Finding randoms who become actual meatspace friends probably makes it a little better, if anything, it lessens how insular you are when you have to be actually outside with others who aren't part of your group.
- mnsc 3y agoId say that the well-kept gates of forums was a feature and the thing I miss most. The current web is like, "oh a communication platform, everyone should be here, how can we optimize for everyone (no-one)"
- mkl95 3y agoI love this site. I first browsed it ~15 years ago and it has barely changed ever since. It's a good example of how far a simple design can get you if your data model is good.
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- moomoo11 3y agoOh man I spent too much time here as a youngling debating what is true metal or not lol.
- sickcodebruh 3y agoProbably the most important research resource for any underground metal fan. The settler of many arguments. The ability to follow links from band members to their other projects is incredible, like an internet version of looking at the shout-outs in album liner notes for mentioned bands as hints at who to check out next.
- comprev 3y agoThis is how many people have used Discogs.com . You can drill-down into the individual artists which make up a band/collective and see who else they work with or share a label with.
- herewulf 3y agoThis site is indispensable. I only wish the mobile experience were better. I need to look up bands comfortably on the go! There was a 3rd party Android app but it stopped working about 10 years ago..
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- camel-cdr 3y agometal archives is my godbolt of music, almost no day passes where I don't visit either site.
- omgmajk 3y agoOne of the better sites on the internet, been a longtime user and it helped me discover many bands over the years!
- cunidev 3y agoI have used Metallum for years, and love how intuitive and user-friendly it feels. The design is oddly cozy, has no ads (I guess?), and gives you the feeling of being in an infinitely deep library of dark magic and forgotten knowledge
- martopix 3y agoIt should be metalli :)
- mmierz 3y agoAmazing to see M-A posted here. Spent way too many hours in my youth scouring the internet for things I could add and correct. I still have an ancient account with full edit access, frequently make changes on behalf of people in my local scene because "request a change" as become fairly unresponsive on account on the insane size of the site.
- Kaibeezy 3y agoI was amazed it hadn't been posted here before this. Also amazed I hadn't run across it until yesterday, when I was rabbit-holing a graphic design meme. I lean prog, post, math and psychedelic, so I guess this was always just off the edge of my radar.
- mitchbob 3y agoSo, a winner of the Grammy Award for Best Metal Performance [1] not included. Not what I'd call "encyclopedic." [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_in_Line_(song) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_in_Line_(song)
- dinkblam 3y agohuh? https://www.metal-archives.com/albums/Dio/The_Last_in_Line/1311 https://www.metal-archives.com/albums/Dio/The_Last_in_Line/1...
- mitchbob 3y agoThe award was for Tenacious D's cover of the song, which isn't in the encyclopedia.
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- npongratz 3y agoWhile I agree that they're not terribly encyclopedic, I don't know if we should use the Academy for their categorical skills, considering the first Grammy for Best Hard Rock/Metal Performance was awarded to Jethro Tull, who beat out Metallica. Disclaimers: I love Jethro Tull, and love Dio, refuse to give Metallica any money, and am a nearly full-spectrum metalhead.
- anthk 3y agoNo Nanowar found.
- cthalupa 3y agohttps://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Nanowar_of_Steel/3540261755 https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Nanowar_of_Steel/354026... ?
- brolumir 3y agoMan, all these comments from folks who've discovered this site in their youth many many years ago makes me feel old... because I remember when that site was first started. I was a member of the metal-rules.com forums (RIP) and the founders of Metal Archives came from there. Many hours of my misspent youth were wasted arguing with the people on those forums, now all gone. Back then metal-rules was THE place to talk about metal on the internet, and MA was an upstart who almost nobody knew about.