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I wish this article was just 3 paragraphs. The verbose writing style was a little tiring, I found myself scrolling impatiently to find what the actual "Lone Ban
by rishabhjain1198 3y ago
I wish this article was just 3 paragraphs. The verbose writing style was a little tiring, I found myself scrolling impatiently to find what the actual "Lone Banana Problem" was.
- oniony 3y agoI skipped to Going Bananas, speed read the rest and it was fine.
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- denton-scratch 3y agoAgree. I was a couple of pages in before I learned what the "Lone Banana Problem" is. That took two paras, and was followed by a lot of sophomoric philosophical noodling.
- DemeterFarm 3y ago[dead]
- bunga-bunga 3y agoSomeone needs to create a browser that parses and displays every website in a format that I request. My preferred format would probably be: - answer to the title / synopsis - the article, without ads, using the site’s style
- lproven 3y agoThe pictures did not immediately tell you? They told me what the problem was in about 2 seconds, and frankly, the title and the first sentence alone were. All right, I concede, a blind reader would not know, but most people are not blind.
- foobarbecue 3y agoI read almost the whole article thinking there might be something more in there. There was mention of TCAV but that was about it.
- lproven 3y agoI am mystified. The page is not long, the text is not complex. The message is obvious and it is contained in the title as shown here on HN. The first pic and its caption make it plain. The next group of 4 pics and their SINGLE SENTENCE caption spell it out clearly. As for "almost the whole article" -- it is short! It took about 90sec to read the whole page, top to bottom. "AI" chat bots can't count. This is well known. It is the stuff of memes. https://osu.ppy.sh/community/forums/topics/1770930?n=1 https://osu.ppy.sh/community/forums/topics/1770930?n=1
- scbrg 3y ago> As for "almost the whole article" -- it is short! It took about 90sec to read the whole page, top to bottom. Cool. The article has 2348 words, so that's around 26 words per second, or ~1560 words per minute. According to some speed reading pages I randomly found via Google the consensus seems to be that 1000+ words per minute is quite exceptional. https://irisreading.com/what-is-the-average-reading-speed/ https://irisreading.com/what-is-the-average-reading-speed/ puts average adult reading speed at around 300 WPM, which you casually exceed by 400%. Far be it from me to suggest that your estimate is inaccurate, but at least know that not everybody reads at that speed :-)
- lproven 3y agoYeah, I am a speedreader, and I did used to be able to do circa 3000wpm at a push. Good to know that even as a myopic 55YO I can still do half that without trying. Points of comparison: I originally read Hal Clement's classic Mission of Gravity in about 25min, and Joseph Conrad's Victory in about 3 hours.
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- solarkraft 3y agoIt was probably 3 paragraphs before they ran it through a prose-generating LLM. Now we need to use an LLM to condense it back down.
- jamesgreenleaf 3y agoThis is the biggest communication problem most people have. Say it plain and simple. No one wants to read your train of thought.
- ubercore 3y agoThought process is fine, but lead with the plain and simple version. Offer context after you've introduced the topic and described what you're talking about.
- wolfram74 3y agoI think when you're trying to be convincing of a counter intuitive or controversial point, it helps to start with less objectionable parts of the argument first. If an argument involves several steps, A to B to C ending in D, but D is wildly counter intuitive, some audiences, hearing D first will reduce their likelihood of actually integrating the consequences of A and so on. Maybe someone who's done more research on the psychology of priming would know?
- maroonblazer 3y agoI'm not so sure. A shining example is the essay "One Self: The Logic of Experience"[0]. The first paragraph is just 3 sentences, and the first sentence lays it out: "I believe that we are all the same person. How could anybody come to think that? In this paper I shall try to explain how it happened to me." [https://www.researchgate.net/publication/233329805_One_Self_The_Logic_of_Experience https://www.researchgate.net/publication/233329805_One_Self_...]
- varelse 3y ago[dead]
- le-mark 3y agoI used to write emails to my boss as summary, then clearly mark what follows as the (boring) details. I got a lot of promotions that way.
- iHeartVLC 3y ago[dead]
- cainxinth 3y ago> I wish this article was just 3 paragraphs. AI might have problems with single bananas, but it can do that very well: > In an experiment with the AI program Midjourney, the author found a peculiar issue: the program rendered images of monkeys holding bananas, but it consistently depicted two or more bananas even when asked to render a single banana. The author suggests that the AI’s predilection for rendering multiple bananas might be due to biases in its training data or the lack of precise labeling. He points out that AI systems like Midjourney don’t understand objects in the human sense but rather recognize common patterns. These systems are only as good as the data fed to them and can inadvertently contain biases or incorrect representations. The article further delves into existential questions about the nature of human intelligence, creativity, and morality compared to AI’s pattern recognition. It questions whether human cognition and morality are just advanced pattern matching with a better understanding of the physical world. The author also touches on the distinction between programming and prompt engineering, highlighting that the latter requires a more nuanced understanding of language and how AI models interpret it.
- StrictDabbler 3y agoThat's immediately inaccurate in a way that distorts the whole article. The author was trying to produce a single banana on a grey background. The monkey was a later attempt at prompt engineering. That AI summary is completely misleading.
- blharr 3y agoThe lone summary problem
- sorokod 3y agoThe problem with generated summaries as opposed to generated code for example, is that there is no way to verify them without reproducing the entire thing "manually". Can't do better then brute force for verification.
- GuB-42 3y agoMaybe fittingly, it is a writing style I have associated with AI (ChatGPT in particular). Here, the article doesn't have the ChatGPT "signature", but it has the same tendency of having a lot of grammatically correct filler.
- vinceguidry 3y agoDo you really not know how to skim effectively? Took me just a few seconds.
- z500 3y agoRight? I'm running a fever right now and I had no trouble with this article.
- rambojohnson 3y agoyou're stumbled upon the Lone Writer problem.