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I think this is a very German-centric view of things. Firstly, priests treating children inappropriately is not a differentiator between the German Catholic Ch

I think this is a very German-centric view of things. Firstly, priests treating children inappropriately is not a differentiator between the German Catholic Church and that of other countries. Secondly, at least from an anglo-saxon angle, men treating children inappropriately is not a differentiator between the Catholic Church and the rainbow faction.

orwin 3y ago
I mean, i've heard a lot more people saying they were abused by priests as a child than any other professions, and i was quite deep in a youth camp counselor association where we had to handle some cases (swiftly and with prejudice, i think we sued, either directly or with the parents 3 times on the 4 cases i was aware of, the case where we didn't sue was a weird case of harassment we weren't sure was sexual, he lost his certificate and was forbidden from getting it again, but no criminal record nor citation). I think the number of deranged pedophiles in all profession should be equal, only the opportunity differs, and our main difference with the church is that we don't protect our criminals (and writing this, i think i have an idea on why the distrust of police force grew that fast in 20 years).
Arnt 3y ago
I agree it's a German-centric view, but I also think it's the view that matters. Beat or rape a child, and people will form an opinion of you based on your action and their views of what you did, local to their cultures. They won't say "well, your employer's local branch is more liberal than its branches in other countries", see? If you're a manager (a bishop, say) and protect your subordinate who did the beating or raping, people will again judge you by their values, German-centric in this case, not by comparing you to similar management in branches in other countries. "I'm going to stay in the church because priests here may have raped children and the bishops protected them, but the Irish branch did worse" isn't reasonable. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/fnord-n1253862 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/fnord-n1253862 BTW. "I'm going to leave the church because I don't see myself as the kind of person who belongs to a community where priests rape and bishops protect them" is a more reasonable sentiment, and it's local.

orwin 3y ago

I mean, i've heard a lot more people saying they were abused by priests as a child than any other professions, and i was quite deep in a youth camp counselor association where we had to handle some cases (swiftly and with prejudice, i think we sued, either directly or with the parents 3 times on the 4 cases i was aware of, the case where we didn't sue was a weird case of harassment we weren't sure was sexual, he lost his certificate and was forbidden from getting it again, but no criminal record nor citation). I think the number of deranged pedophiles in all profession should be equal, only the opportunity differs, and our main difference with the church is that we don't protect our criminals (and writing this, i think i have an idea on why the distrust of police force grew that fast in 20 years).

Arnt 3y ago

I agree it's a German-centric view, but I also think it's the view that matters. Beat or rape a child, and people will form an opinion of you based on your action and their views of what you did, local to their cultures. They won't say "well, your employer's local branch is more liberal than its branches in other countries", see? If you're a manager (a bishop, say) and protect your subordinate who did the beating or raping, people will again judge you by their values, German-centric in this case, not by comparing you to similar management in branches in other countries. "I'm going to stay in the church because priests here may have raped children and the bishops protected them, but the Irish branch did worse" isn't reasonable. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/fnord-n1253862 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/fnord-n1253862 BTW. "I'm going to leave the church because I don't see myself as the kind of person who belongs to a community where priests rape and bishops protect them" is a more reasonable sentiment, and it's local.