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> You actually need someone with vision and track record of doing right predictions and placing right technology bets. Hofstadter does not exactly fit this des
by dlkf 3y ago
> You actually need someone with vision and track record of doing right predictions and placing right technology bets.
Hofstadter does not exactly fit this description.
- TedDoesntTalk 3y agoWhy not? Serious question
- lacrimacida 3y agoI suspect OP that your respnding to thinks something like … Hofstadter is not known to have made himself uber-rich therefore he’s not worth taking advice from or something along those lines
- dlkf 3y agoWhat did he get right? While Hinton, LeCun, and others were laying the foundations of deep learning in the 80s, Hofstadter was writing expert systems in Lisp.
- lispm 3y agoJust for the record: Hinton was a Lisp user at some point in time. 1984 he got a Symbolics 3600. LeCun co-wrote Lush, a specialized Lisp for numerical computing. https://lush.sourceforge.net https://lush.sourceforge.net
- dlkf 3y agoThat you have to reach for such obscure examples kind of illustrates my point, no? Geoff Hinton isn’t known for ”using Lisp at some earlier point in time.” It’s not my goal to denigrate Lisp. I think Lisp is great. I learned programming with Dr Racket. But Hofstadter’s contribution to our understanding of intelligence is somewhere between ”negligible” and ”counterproductive.”
- disgruntledphd2 3y agoOne could say that same about Hinton and LeCun.
- dlkf 3y agoAre you joking? Learning nonlinearities by hidden representations ranks among the most important scientific discoveries of the past fifty years.
- disgruntledphd2 3y agoHow does it relate to intelligence though? Certainly it's very useful for training ML models but their relationship to intelligence has yet to be determined.
- dlkf 3y agoThe idea that knowledge can be expressed in distributed representations rather than sequences of symbols is a huge advancement in our understanding of intelligence. Obviously we haven’t ”solved intelligence” but now we at least have some idea of what the right questions to ask are.
- disgruntledphd2 3y agoCan you share a link to the paper please? I feel like I get you, but would like to disambiguate with the mathematical representation.