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Generate reality? I am not crystal clear on what you're talking about. Quantum computers are still just computers, not magical replicators from Star Trek.

mistermann 3y ago
I'm talking about the mind's ability to generate what "is", and "is not". It is a curso no doubt, but it is also sometimes a blessing. But usually it runs unnoticed (or even: denied) in the background, duffing things up. And when it gets noticed, sometimes really weird things happen.
- Dylan16807 3y ago
  > And when it gets noticed, sometimes really weird things happen. ....such as? If you have any proof you can probably get a nobel prize.
  - mistermann 3y ago
    Everyone "already knows" these things, so no awards or even surprise awaits one.
    - Dylan16807 3y ago
      If you can change bits that have already been observed, that would be very surprising to people. Otherwise I'm not sure what you mean by "generate" but almost any kind of influence would have massive potential.
      - mistermann 3y ago
        Surprising to some, pleasing to others, infuriating to others. But to those who have mastery over it: powerful.
  - gopher_space 3y ago
    I was thinking op meant something like realizing everyone has their own take on NULL and none of them are really wrong or right.
    - mistermann 3y ago
      This is pretty close...although some can be correct, but correctness is not necessarily justified (such as when guessing what "is probably" true, which is why the J in JTB exists, and perhaps also because people like to take the T for free, as doing otherwise "is pedantic", which almost always has consensus agreement - reality domes don't maintain themselves!!).
      - Dylan16807 3y ago
        But where does the quantum come in? You don't need it to have/manipulate consensus. What are the "weird things"?
        mistermann 3y ago
        > But where does the quantum come in? My thinking is here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_superposition https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_superposition > You don't need it to have/manipulate consensus. Right, it's obliviousness to (or ideological, indoctrinated denial of) the phenomenon of extra variables/state that enables the manipulation of consensus. (I'm looking at you, scientists.) Also, if these higher states did not exist, I'd think the problem might be either be impossible in the first place, or impossible to detect. (Noteworthy: having flawed methodologies can also make them impossible to detect.) > What are the "weird things"? Hallucination is the most obvious, but I would also say: just look around! Or for a more serious analysis: https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/07/30/meditations-on-moloch/ https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/07/30/meditations-on-moloch/

mistermann 3y ago

I'm talking about the mind's ability to generate what "is", and "is not". It is a curso no doubt, but it is also sometimes a blessing. But usually it runs unnoticed (or even: denied) in the background, duffing things up. And when it gets noticed, sometimes really weird things happen.

Dylan16807 3y ago
> And when it gets noticed, sometimes really weird things happen. ....such as? If you have any proof you can probably get a nobel prize.
- mistermann 3y ago
  Everyone "already knows" these things, so no awards or even surprise awaits one.
  - Dylan16807 3y ago
    If you can change bits that have already been observed, that would be very surprising to people. Otherwise I'm not sure what you mean by "generate" but almost any kind of influence would have massive potential.
    - mistermann 3y ago
      Surprising to some, pleasing to others, infuriating to others. But to those who have mastery over it: powerful.
- gopher_space 3y ago
  I was thinking op meant something like realizing everyone has their own take on NULL and none of them are really wrong or right.
  - mistermann 3y ago
    This is pretty close...although some can be correct, but correctness is not necessarily justified (such as when guessing what "is probably" true, which is why the J in JTB exists, and perhaps also because people like to take the T for free, as doing otherwise "is pedantic", which almost always has consensus agreement - reality domes don't maintain themselves!!).
    - Dylan16807 3y ago
      But where does the quantum come in? You don't need it to have/manipulate consensus. What are the "weird things"?
      - mistermann 3y ago
        > But where does the quantum come in? My thinking is here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_superposition https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_superposition > You don't need it to have/manipulate consensus. Right, it's obliviousness to (or ideological, indoctrinated denial of) the phenomenon of extra variables/state that enables the manipulation of consensus. (I'm looking at you, scientists.) Also, if these higher states did not exist, I'd think the problem might be either be impossible in the first place, or impossible to detect. (Noteworthy: having flawed methodologies can also make them impossible to detect.) > What are the "weird things"? Hallucination is the most obvious, but I would also say: just look around! Or for a more serious analysis: https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/07/30/meditations-on-moloch/ https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/07/30/meditations-on-moloch/