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And this all the while the German Catholic Church has been the most progressive/liberal version of catholicism in the world by far

Arnt 3y ago
It has? Does the church treat children even worse elsewhere? I suppose in a way, people are leaving now because of things that happened long ago. I live in Munich, there was a children's home outside the city where the adults did not behave at all nicely. Decades ago. It's just that it's being published now and people are reacting now. But one could also say that people are reacting because they think the current bishop acted to protect one of the criminals, only a few years ago. I personally think that people might forgive what happened long ago, but don't because the current clerical leadership tried to hush things up and protect the guilty priests only five years ago.
- woodpanel 3y ago
  I think this is a very German-centric view of things. Firstly, priests treating children inappropriately is not a differentiator between the German Catholic Church and that of other countries. Secondly, at least from an anglo-saxon angle, men treating children inappropriately is not a differentiator between the Catholic Church and the rainbow faction.
  - orwin 3y ago
    I mean, i've heard a lot more people saying they were abused by priests as a child than any other professions, and i was quite deep in a youth camp counselor association where we had to handle some cases (swiftly and with prejudice, i think we sued, either directly or with the parents 3 times on the 4 cases i was aware of, the case where we didn't sue was a weird case of harassment we weren't sure was sexual, he lost his certificate and was forbidden from getting it again, but no criminal record nor citation). I think the number of deranged pedophiles in all profession should be equal, only the opportunity differs, and our main difference with the church is that we don't protect our criminals (and writing this, i think i have an idea on why the distrust of police force grew that fast in 20 years).
  - Arnt 3y ago
    I agree it's a German-centric view, but I also think it's the view that matters. Beat or rape a child, and people will form an opinion of you based on your action and their views of what you did, local to their cultures. They won't say "well, your employer's local branch is more liberal than its branches in other countries", see? If you're a manager (a bishop, say) and protect your subordinate who did the beating or raping, people will again judge you by their values, German-centric in this case, not by comparing you to similar management in branches in other countries. "I'm going to stay in the church because priests here may have raped children and the bishops protected them, but the Irish branch did worse" isn't reasonable. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/fnord-n1253862 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/fnord-n1253862 BTW. "I'm going to leave the church because I don't see myself as the kind of person who belongs to a community where priests rape and bishops protect them" is a more reasonable sentiment, and it's local.

Arnt 3y ago

It has? Does the church treat children even worse elsewhere? I suppose in a way, people are leaving now because of things that happened long ago. I live in Munich, there was a children's home outside the city where the adults did not behave at all nicely. Decades ago. It's just that it's being published now and people are reacting now. But one could also say that people are reacting because they think the current bishop acted to protect one of the criminals, only a few years ago. I personally think that people might forgive what happened long ago, but don't because the current clerical leadership tried to hush things up and protect the guilty priests only five years ago.

woodpanel 3y ago
I think this is a very German-centric view of things. Firstly, priests treating children inappropriately is not a differentiator between the German Catholic Church and that of other countries. Secondly, at least from an anglo-saxon angle, men treating children inappropriately is not a differentiator between the Catholic Church and the rainbow faction.
- orwin 3y ago
  I mean, i've heard a lot more people saying they were abused by priests as a child than any other professions, and i was quite deep in a youth camp counselor association where we had to handle some cases (swiftly and with prejudice, i think we sued, either directly or with the parents 3 times on the 4 cases i was aware of, the case where we didn't sue was a weird case of harassment we weren't sure was sexual, he lost his certificate and was forbidden from getting it again, but no criminal record nor citation). I think the number of deranged pedophiles in all profession should be equal, only the opportunity differs, and our main difference with the church is that we don't protect our criminals (and writing this, i think i have an idea on why the distrust of police force grew that fast in 20 years).
- Arnt 3y ago
  I agree it's a German-centric view, but I also think it's the view that matters. Beat or rape a child, and people will form an opinion of you based on your action and their views of what you did, local to their cultures. They won't say "well, your employer's local branch is more liberal than its branches in other countries", see? If you're a manager (a bishop, say) and protect your subordinate who did the beating or raping, people will again judge you by their values, German-centric in this case, not by comparing you to similar management in branches in other countries. "I'm going to stay in the church because priests here may have raped children and the bishops protected them, but the Irish branch did worse" isn't reasonable. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/fnord-n1253862 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/fnord-n1253862 BTW. "I'm going to leave the church because I don't see myself as the kind of person who belongs to a community where priests rape and bishops protect them" is a more reasonable sentiment, and it's local.