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Self driving is a cost problem and a software problem. Over time it will become solved fully and cheap. I can't believe that a human can outperform a computer a

Self driving is a cost problem and a software problem. Over time it will become solved fully and cheap. I can't believe that a human can outperform a computer at paying attention. re: 1.5 car width lanes or trails or whatever Have you seen humans drive in other countries? Italy, India and Boston (lol - many more) have driving situations where lane lines are not obeyed and cars pack pretty tightly on a regular basis. I cannot imagine a world where that is not solved.

ThrowAway1922A 3y ago
> I can't believe that a human can outperform a computer at paying attention. The issue are the millions of edge cases in which humans remain far better at analyzing, figuring out a solution, and compromising in.
- idopmstuff 3y ago
  That is the issue, but that means that to say that we'll never have self-driving cars is to say that we're either at or close to the limit on advancement of computing technology. That seems implausible to me, and if you don't accept it as a premise, then it's just a question of how long it is before computers surpass people at all of those things.
  - xyzelement 3y ago
    You are making a lot of sense, you are setting up logical arguments but some folks go like "uhhh I just don't think so"
  - Detrytus 3y ago
    >> [...] is to say that we're either at or close to the limit on advancement of computing technology. Well, we are approaching physical limits of minimum transistor size, so that might not be as ridiculous as you think. What if the best we can do is to triple the current processing power, but that's not enough?
    - idopmstuff 3y ago
      That would do it, and I genuinely thank you for being the first person to come up with a counterargument to any of my comments that didn't just involve trying to rules lawyer my language.
Tempest1981 3y ago
How often do these narrow-lane scenarios require one of the cars to back up? And do any self-driving cars perform this back-up negotiation maneuver? Here's an example of a non-autonomous car backing up for a FSD Tesla: (at 22:20) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2l6KLC3S5gc&t=22m14s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2l6KLC3S5gc&t=22m14s

ThrowAway1922A 3y ago

> I can't believe that a human can outperform a computer at paying attention. The issue are the millions of edge cases in which humans remain far better at analyzing, figuring out a solution, and compromising in.

idopmstuff 3y ago
That is the issue, but that means that to say that we'll never have self-driving cars is to say that we're either at or close to the limit on advancement of computing technology. That seems implausible to me, and if you don't accept it as a premise, then it's just a question of how long it is before computers surpass people at all of those things.
- xyzelement 3y ago
  You are making a lot of sense, you are setting up logical arguments but some folks go like "uhhh I just don't think so"
- Detrytus 3y ago
  >> [...] is to say that we're either at or close to the limit on advancement of computing technology. Well, we are approaching physical limits of minimum transistor size, so that might not be as ridiculous as you think. What if the best we can do is to triple the current processing power, but that's not enough?
  - idopmstuff 3y ago
    That would do it, and I genuinely thank you for being the first person to come up with a counterargument to any of my comments that didn't just involve trying to rules lawyer my language.

Tempest1981 3y ago

How often do these narrow-lane scenarios require one of the cars to back up? And do any self-driving cars perform this back-up negotiation maneuver? Here's an example of a non-autonomous car backing up for a FSD Tesla: (at 22:20) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2l6KLC3S5gc&t=22m14s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2l6KLC3S5gc&t=22m14s