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I have a 2021 Model Y and a 2023 S Plaid. I'll never go back. The Plaid is truly an amazing car. It will beat super cars in 0-60 and the quarter mile (at a frac
by ronnier 3y ago
I have a 2021 Model Y and a 2023 S Plaid. I'll never go back. The Plaid is truly an amazing car. It will beat super cars in 0-60 and the quarter mile (at a fraction of the cost), seat 5, reach speeds over 200 mph, has lots of storage in the trunk + frunk, has an SSD + GPU with an 18" screen that has Steam installed and works with wireless controllers, self driving is great, the phone placement is the most optimal I've ever seen in a car, no key needed (just walk up to the car and it knows you are you because of your phone, or use a credit card style key), and the audio system it outstanding. Oh, and the white interior looks like a space ship, makes no noise, has long range, has a screen in the back to watch Netflix and YouTube. Other than looks, I can't figure out why I'd buy an exotic car (I don't track them).
- qwerpy 3y agoReally interesting the almost universally negative replies to this. From the class of people who gush about whatever latest shiny device Apple put out. Is it jealousy? Or politically motivated?
- eat 3y agoThe only thing motivated here is your implication that the answer must be one of these two reductive answers, while so many commenters have given very reasonable and valid reasons for their opinion.
- cbeach 3y agoThe “Musk Bad” responses are 100% political. He’s revealed his hand, in that he’s not a Blue Tribe member like most other tech CEOs. So now, every member of the Blue Tribe hate him. They will attack him just as they attack anyone prominent from outside their own tribe. Tribalism sucks. I wish people could rise above it.
- Shawnj2 3y agoTeslas do have problems other cars at their price point don’t. I’ve been in my fair share of Model 3’s and my 2006 Lexus RX handles much better and has a vastly nicer interior than a new 2023 luxury car. Also software wise driver assist is awesome but honestly as long as I can get CarPlay to work anything else is fluff, and I bought a $400 box you can mod into the car to make that happen. Without the tax credit it’s arguably not a great value What I do think people don’t give credit Musk enough for is that he’s willing to put money into some completely bonkers ideas and make them work. EV’s and affordable space travel were laughable ideas until Tesla and SpaceX. Without Elon we would not have the nuspace industry as it exists today
- helf 3y agoIt's an EV. It's dead simple to "go fast" with one. Sustaining that speed is something they have issues with. Whatever floats your boat, but I find the interior of tesla's incredible bland and boring. Stale "futuristic" BS that's devoid of any personality. "SSD and GPU" is a freaking bizarre thing to tout. You mean it has an entertainment system with a full computer with enough grunt to light gaming on. Yippy.
- snvdnse 3y ago> no key needed (just walk up to the car and it knows you are you because of your phone, or use a credit card style key) This feature, while I am sure loved by most people and is evident from the sales, is not something that I like and hence would never own a Tesla. I simply don't like the idea of my car and car's app beaming my data to HQ all the time.
- resolutebat 3y agoThe phone/key lock works through Bluetooth and does not require live connectivity. Teslas do phone home a lot for other stuff, but for better or worse, so do most other modern-day cars. And the Tesla UI is pretty zealous about asking for your permission for all the things.
- snvdnse 3y agoI am not sure if other auto manufacturers are doing similar data collection, but based on [0], they sure seem to collect a lot. I hope, as you say, they let you pick what data you permit them to collect and also let you use features of _your_ car if you deny some permissions. [0] https://www.tesla.com/legal/privacy#information-we-may-collect https://www.tesla.com/legal/privacy#information-we-may-colle...
- rkagerer 3y agoHow's the user experience using the car if you hit No to all of them?
- dev_slash_null 3y ago> Teslas do phone home a lot for other stuff, but for better or worse, so do most other modern-day cars. And the Tesla UI is pretty zealous about asking for your permission for all the things. How many other cars send your private videos to HQ to be shared among employees on internal meme pages? https://www.reuters.com/technology/tesla-workers-shared-sensitive-images-recorded-by-customer-cars-2023-04-06/ https://www.reuters.com/technology/tesla-workers-shared-sens...
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- HWR_14 3y agoWhat's the advantage of having a GPU integrated in the car? Do you typically update those with similar timeframes? As for "over an exotic car", I assume the other option would be something like a Lexus, not something super exotic.
- ronnier 3y agoIt's used for the full self driving. So since it's there, they let you game on it.
- vardump 3y agoNo, it's not. Unless you count on-screen [FSD] visualization.
- ronnier 3y agoI think you are right, I'm not sure why it's there then.
- kfarr 3y agoFor playing steam games!
- chrisco255 3y agoFor entertainment while you're charging your car.
- shultays 3y agoWeren't you supposed to still hold the wheel and take over in case of something goes wrong?
- agloe_dreams 3y agoThe GPU can play games from steam while you stare endlessly at the 1 hour this recharge is going to take, lol. And yeah, a ton of Tesla fanboys love quoting 0-60 but get real quiet when you ask about weight or quality.
- manuelmoreale 3y agoI get what you’re saying when you talk about being a fraction of the cost of a super car but I just want to point out that the plaid is a 130k+ € car. I can buy houses for that money here where I live in Italy. So it’s still an insanely expensive car.
- angrais 3y agoNot only cost, but why is accelerating quickly or reaching 200mph important? GP also mentioned 5 seats as important, and to me, those are counter needs. Even on the autostrada I would say it's typical t go 130km/h (80 mph) so I'm not sure of the context where 200mph is required.
- hef19898 3y agoGerman Autobahn, for those handful of sections without at least temprary speed limits. And on tracks, but let's be honest, vehicles like the Plaid, and similarly heavy vehicles, suck at tracks. Going fast in an almost straight line is easy.
- mensetmanusman 3y agoThe autobahn where I have driven is quite straight. Track performance depends a lot on the tires, and weight can help with right turns due to friction enhancement. Also, tracks through mountains are where EVs shine.
- rasz 3y agoYes, track times similar to Zonda F or Enzo suck https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_N%C3%BCrburgring_Nordschleife_lap_times https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_N%C3%BCrburgring_Nords...
- hef19898 3y agoI said heavy cars suck on a track. Why? Because they have a harder time cornering, consuke more energy, increase tire wear and brake performance degrades as well. That is a question of weight, and weight alone. Also, and every racing series shows that, one fast lap doesn't guarantee good results in a race.
- katbyte 3y agoYour car IS an exotic car well beyond the means of most people to afford.
- ChuckNorris89 3y agoYeah, it's funny reading his promotion of one of the most expensive sedans in the world as being somehow "underrated" lol. Even funnier when you consider it has the panel gaps and material quality of an AliExpress gaming console, but it doesn't matter because "the interior looks like a space ship".
- mensetmanusman 3y agoPanel gaps are hard with heavier EVs maybe? https://www.motorbiscuit.com/looks-like-porsche-taycans-have-huge-quality-issues/ https://www.motorbiscuit.com/looks-like-porsche-taycans-have...
- FireBeyond 3y agoNot to mention Tesla's fantastic quality control... ... where >70% of brand new Teslas require at least one service center visit in the first 30 days to correct a factory defect...
- toomuchtodo 3y agoAnd yet, best selling car! Sell what people want, not what people gripe about online.
- FireBeyond 3y agoThe what now? RAV 4, Camry, CR-V all might argue about that, given that each of them outsold Tesla models. Source: https://www.caranddriver.com/news/g39628015/best-selling-cars-2022/ https://www.caranddriver.com/news/g39628015/best-selling-car...
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- abliefern 3y agoExcuse me if this is a bit forward but who asked? In other words, why do hn commenters go off on tangents to the extent that in some posts you'll find more irrelevant tangents than discussion of the article in the link?
- solardev 3y agoThe link is some boring numbers. Personal anecdotes make this place more fun! :)
- TheHappyOddish 3y ago> why do hn commenters go off on tangents to the extent that in some posts you'll find more irrelevant tangents than discussion of the article in the link? Stimulation of interesting discussion and anecdotes is the lifeblood of HN? I understand this one doesn't interest you, but I bet some others do and don't interest me.
- CameronNemo 3y agoIf you don't get to post hn comments about it, why would you buy the car that costs double the median us salary in the first place?
- solardev 3y agoWhy does a car need all this bling to begin with? When do you get to actually use it? Can't imagine wanting to sit in a car to play a game on the center console. I do, however, miss easy to reach physical buttons for the AC and music. The long range is nice though for sure. Can't wait for that to trickle down to everyday EVs for us plebs.
- pyrale 3y ago> Why does a car need all this bling to begin with? When do you get to actually use it? Conspicuous consumption [1] describes the consumer practice of buying and using goods of a higher quality, price, or in greater quantity than practical. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspicuous_consumption https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspicuous_consumption
- mrtksn 3y agoMusk is a product person which most other brands seem to lack and people seem to care more about the product much more than the image it might be associated with(Musk's political actions). Looks like he managed to strike a product-market fit with the laptop class, which most other brands missed probably because they don't have much touch with that class. Not a Musk fan but his product and business skills are undeniable. Let's just hope he doesn't go too eccentric.
- hef19898 3y agoAll Musk managed was replacing the gap dimensions between body panels with the funtionality of the entertainment software as one of the most useless measures of car quality. But what can I say, percieved quality (!) was a measure in cars since forever. That so, Tesla did really good. Added benefit: Software is nothing traditional automotove excels, while build quality is nothing Tesla excels in. So, the now managed to make Teslas weakness irrelevant while highliting everyones elses weakness.
- blovescoffee 3y agoIs musk really a product person. He seems like a great businessman but less so a product person. Presumably he surrounds himself with product people.
- WA 3y agoDoes the S finally have a pocket in the driver's door for things to put in?
- poisonborz 3y agoJust like with smartphones, since we get all these technical leaps in one package with all the drawbacks - complete remote control over our appliances and data - we happily ignore them.
- Broken_Hippo 3y ago...reach speeds over 200 mph... Why is this even a selling point? There are no roads for this. I've never needed to personally go this fast. In actual emergencies, this would put both me and the person with the emergency at risk. And honestly, the companies can claim that all they want. Pretty much no one is going to test it themselves.
- j-pb 3y agoEntschuldigung, wir fahren gerne schnell! But I kinda agree, as a german I feel like we should have a universal tempo limit of 130kmh. The only reason I can see to stay unlimited would be as a policy measure for quicker EV transition, e.g. by limiting ICE cars to 120kmh and keeping unlimited for EVs.
- Broken_Hippo 3y agoThat last bit really isn't necessary, though. To be fair, I'm in Norway and electric cars are really popular. Tax breaks, reductions on tolls, and the ability to drive in bus lanes has helped. Infrastructure has most definitely helped, too.
- j-pb 3y agoThere are (large) parties in Germany that will never allow for a general tempo limit. Introducing it at least for ICE would at least reduce traffic CO2 from the most inefficient modes of travel (high speed ICE).
- TheHappyOddish 3y agoMany people who own fast cars do, and most of the world doesn't live where you do and has different roads and road rule to you.
- Broken_Hippo 3y agoMost places where these are sold do not have such roads. I've lived in a number of places, spanning an ocean. Most do not have these roads - not where it is legal.
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- TacticalCoder 3y ago> I can't figure out why I'd buy an exotic car But the Tesla Plaid ain't pretending to go after exotic supercars. It's pretending to be a luxury car. A Porsche Panamera however starts at $97 K and you already get a very nice one for the $135 K the Plaid costs. And it's actually a luxury car: it's in another league of quietness (wind noise dominates on the highway and the Panamera is simply much better sound insulated), audio (try a Burmester + double-glazzed windows in a Panamera: it's 1000 Watts and 18 speakers of bliss), way more luxurious, way more comfortable, handles better, gives a much better feedback through the steering wheel, has higher quality material all over the interior, etc. That's my issue with the Model S: it's a very expensive car and you've got not just a bit but way more luxurious cars in that price range. Now there's the issue of TCO, image (some don't want to be seen in a Porsche but have no issue driving a $135 K Plaid for example), gasoline vs EV, etc. All I'm saying is $135 K ain't cheap and for that amount you have actual luxury cars that do drive superbly available. > I'll never go back I'll never go back either ; )
- tails4e 3y agoThis is a very good point. The model s when it was 80k was a lot of car for the money. At 130k, the main selling point is the insane acceleration, which is fun, but not 50k worth. The other improvements are nice, but as you say many very high end cars, with better finish can be had for 130k. FYI I own an S, which I picked up for 50k used (2016 model in 2019) and I love it to bits, but can't see myself getting another due to how expensive they are now. Hopefully my battery lasts!
- n4te 3y agoIt doesn't have the brakes for it's speed to be safe. I had a Model X and the fit and finish was poor. That, their yoke gimmick, and Elon's nonsense means I won't but another Tesla.
- testfrequency 3y agoThe plaid has upgraded brakes, and they work just fine. What’s not safe about them? Also, if you had fit issues (honestly more rare the past few years) you should have reported this at delivery, just like any other car. The finish, well, that’s personal preference. Ultimately I think you just don’t like Elon, and that’s ok - but Tesla is not Elon
- FireBeyond 3y ago> The plaid has upgraded brakes, and they work just fine. What’s not safe about them? Well, hopefully they actually remember to install all of them at the factory... https://www.autoevolution.com/news/another-tesla-is-delivered-without-brake-pads-a-model-y-performance-in-canada-182697.html https://www.autoevolution.com/news/another-tesla-is-delivere... https://driveteslacanada.ca/model-3/the-saga-of-a-tesla-model-3-delivered-without-a-brake-pad/ https://driveteslacanada.ca/model-3/the-saga-of-a-tesla-mode... > Also, if you had fit issues (honestly more rare the past few years) you should have reported this at delivery Many do. Tesla leads the market in that over 70% of new deliveries require at least one service center visit in the first 30 days of ownership to correct a factory/delivery defect.
- martin8412 3y agoNope.. The brake calipers are fake. The brakes are the standard ones. https://www.autoevolution.com/news/the-refreshed-tesla-model-s-x-plaid-cars-now-come-with-fake-brake-calipers-210736.html https://www.autoevolution.com/news/the-refreshed-tesla-model...
- xyst 3y agoHaving driven these cars before. I will never understand the hype. TSLA marketing and PR department is very good if they have people frothing at the mouth and shilling their products.
- ulrashida 3y agolooks at state of current home vehicle interior Uh... white interior? What the what?
- thebruce87m 3y agoDoes the S model still come with parking USS? My 2023 model Y doesn’t have them and it’s unforgivable. Unless they revert back to shipping with them or drastically improve the vision counterpart then I don’t think I would get another Tesla. I’m hoping that in 4 years when I change car someone else has come up the curve in terms of infotainment and charging infrastructure.
- w0m 3y agoGood examples why I hate that musk is leading it. I <3 my car but the state of Twitter scares the crap out of me for my employment future.
- jvanderbot 3y agoI think I'd rather have a bus pass, steam deck, and a house.