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Or it could be that the time/effort required to craft a prompt and check the output is not worth it for most/all use cases, and thus after the initial excitemen

Or it could be that the time/effort required to craft a prompt and check the output is not worth it for most/all use cases, and thus after the initial excitement ChatGPT and friends gather dust much like blockchain and Apple Vision.

add-sub-mul-div 3y ago
Yeah this hype has opened my eyes to the fact that there are so many people who haven't already found a flow for internet searches that's more streamlined than this AI stuff. Don't we all do this every day?
- DougEiffel 3y ago
  I'll be the odd man out here - I teach special education and GPT has been a lifesaver. I feed it a complex task or text, ask it to simplify it down to my students' reading levels, and then just do a super quick read/edit. Similarly, I've been using Dall-E to add pictures to the books we read in class. Compare this to retyping everything at a 4th grade reading level and then painstakingly searching Google for pictures (and usually ending up with mismatched pictures with varying artistic styles or watermarks). I don't know that we will have true artificial intelligence soon a lá I Robot, but I feel nervous and optimistic about what's to come either way. By the way, call me crazy but I think the Apple Vision thing is going to be a game changer for business and consumers.
- sanderjd 3y ago
  This works way better for me for many kinds of things I previously did with search, and also does not at all replace other kinds of things I did (and still do) with search. To a large extent, it has demonstrated to me that wading through stack overflow or blog posts or canonical documentation to figure out how to do some technical thing was actually a way worse workflow than I thought it was. But searching "what to do in my town this weekend" or "what are the best books about xyz" remains the best workflow.
loveparade 3y ago
I don't think this is a good analogy. A better analogy is the multiple previous AI hype cycles. They played out similarly. They brought some truly new capabilities that are used in production, just like LLMs will become a widely used tool, but failed to live up to the AGI hype even though everyone was convinced we're just a step away back in the 80s already and in a few years machine will do all our work. The only reason people don't see this is because they weren't around back then. It's not going to be different this time.
- famouswaffles 3y ago
  >The only reason people don't see this is because they weren't around back then. It's not going to be different this time. There are people who've been around who think it's going to be different this time. Look it's fine if you don't. Maybe you'll be right and they'll be wrong but this "anyone who disagrees is ignorant" rhetoric is uncalled for. You shouldn't need to result to ad hominems.
  - kuchenbecker 3y ago
    Agreed, I see this automating 20-30% of my work in the next 10 years. Then, I'll spend that time on the unending pile of work that's not completed. I see a major issue for people entering the industry in a decade because ChatGPT/Copilot I can get 10 mediocre answers and verify them in the time it takes a junior eng to respond to PR comments.
  - sanderjd 3y ago
    I tend to agree with the comment you replied to, but I also agree with this. It isn't too be ignored that lots of people see something different this time. But I don't see the same thing as they do...
- sanderjd 3y ago
  This is what it looks like to me too. Except I do think the tools are significantly more useful than in previous cycles. But I do think the hype cycle model is the right one. And I find it super odd that people keep jumping to the AGI thing. I honestly struggle mightily to see what they're seeing in gpt-4 that makes them feel like we're on the brink of a general intelligence.
rootusrootus 3y ago
I think you make a good point. Anecdotally, I haven't yet found a good use for it in my workflow, despite trying. A few shell scripts, but mostly my existing workflow has proven more effective. I am keeping up with the technology, though, to see how it evolves.

add-sub-mul-div 3y ago

Yeah this hype has opened my eyes to the fact that there are so many people who haven't already found a flow for internet searches that's more streamlined than this AI stuff. Don't we all do this every day?

DougEiffel 3y ago
I'll be the odd man out here - I teach special education and GPT has been a lifesaver. I feed it a complex task or text, ask it to simplify it down to my students' reading levels, and then just do a super quick read/edit. Similarly, I've been using Dall-E to add pictures to the books we read in class. Compare this to retyping everything at a 4th grade reading level and then painstakingly searching Google for pictures (and usually ending up with mismatched pictures with varying artistic styles or watermarks). I don't know that we will have true artificial intelligence soon a lá I Robot, but I feel nervous and optimistic about what's to come either way. By the way, call me crazy but I think the Apple Vision thing is going to be a game changer for business and consumers.
sanderjd 3y ago
This works way better for me for many kinds of things I previously did with search, and also does not at all replace other kinds of things I did (and still do) with search. To a large extent, it has demonstrated to me that wading through stack overflow or blog posts or canonical documentation to figure out how to do some technical thing was actually a way worse workflow than I thought it was. But searching "what to do in my town this weekend" or "what are the best books about xyz" remains the best workflow.

loveparade 3y ago

I don't think this is a good analogy. A better analogy is the multiple previous AI hype cycles. They played out similarly. They brought some truly new capabilities that are used in production, just like LLMs will become a widely used tool, but failed to live up to the AGI hype even though everyone was convinced we're just a step away back in the 80s already and in a few years machine will do all our work. The only reason people don't see this is because they weren't around back then. It's not going to be different this time.

famouswaffles 3y ago
>The only reason people don't see this is because they weren't around back then. It's not going to be different this time. There are people who've been around who think it's going to be different this time. Look it's fine if you don't. Maybe you'll be right and they'll be wrong but this "anyone who disagrees is ignorant" rhetoric is uncalled for. You shouldn't need to result to ad hominems.
- kuchenbecker 3y ago
  Agreed, I see this automating 20-30% of my work in the next 10 years. Then, I'll spend that time on the unending pile of work that's not completed. I see a major issue for people entering the industry in a decade because ChatGPT/Copilot I can get 10 mediocre answers and verify them in the time it takes a junior eng to respond to PR comments.
- sanderjd 3y ago
  I tend to agree with the comment you replied to, but I also agree with this. It isn't too be ignored that lots of people see something different this time. But I don't see the same thing as they do...
sanderjd 3y ago
This is what it looks like to me too. Except I do think the tools are significantly more useful than in previous cycles. But I do think the hype cycle model is the right one. And I find it super odd that people keep jumping to the AGI thing. I honestly struggle mightily to see what they're seeing in gpt-4 that makes them feel like we're on the brink of a general intelligence.

rootusrootus 3y ago

I think you make a good point. Anecdotally, I haven't yet found a good use for it in my workflow, despite trying. A few shell scripts, but mostly my existing workflow has proven more effective. I am keeping up with the technology, though, to see how it evolves.