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> Asian Americans, the group whom the suit was supposedly about, have been oddly absent from the conversations that have followed the ruling. This isn’t true f

> Asian Americans, the group whom the suit was supposedly about, have been oddly absent from the conversations that have followed the ruling. This isn’t true from what I’ve seen. The major talking point was “this is great for asians!” Which I think is a problematic take. This ruling is precisely NOT about giving people “their due” based off their race. Why not also say “this is great news for whites!” Ostensibly because people dont think whites “need” it but doleing out favor based off a supposed “need” by race is the problem. This is good for absolutely everyone. No one actually benefits from institutionalized racism.

drewcoo 3y ago
> Why not also say “this is great news for whites!” No. It's because of this: https://www.amren.com/news/2015/10/the-asian-white-naep-test-score-gaps-by-state/ https://www.amren.com/news/2015/10/the-asian-white-naep-test... > No one actually benefits from institutionalized racism. Really? I'm sure it must benefit someone . . .
- nonethewiser 3y ago
  Ultimately no, it benefits no one. Obviously some groups benefit admission-wise but that pales in comparison to living in a racist society. The benefit someone may receive is going to be less than the detriment to society. Even if you were granted all favor based on your race with day of reckoning (nevermind inevitable strife), dont you believe that on some deeper level you are worse off than if you earned from your merit?
- Simulacra 3y ago
  The term "institutional racism" is such a strawman argument. It acts as a catch all for essentially claiming institutions, coincidentally universities and government, are 100% racist. That just doesn't hold water given the past twenty years of these very same institutions doing everything they can legally and illegally do to boost minority inclusion. The ugly truth is that everyone is racist to a degree, no matter the color of their skin, and any opportunity or requirement that a person be judged on the color of their skin is unconstitutional.
hsjqllzlfkf 3y ago
> This isn’t true from what I’ve seen. The major talking point was “this is great for asians!” > Which I think is a problematic take. This ruling is precisely NOT about giving people “their due” based off their race. Asians* are great academically. That's the whole reason why Harvard made being Asian count negative. So yes, this will be great for Asians. Doesn't matter that the intention isn't to give people their due. What matters is that the practical outcome is that if you're Asian and wanted to apply to Harvard, your probably of getting in, everything else being equal, just went way up. * Who is included in "Asian", and how homogeneous the various subsets are is a long conversation and beside the point of my comment.
- nonethewiser 3y ago
  Its great for everyone. I recognize admission-wise Asian and White people have more to gain on average but the point is this is a win for society. Its not a tug of war between racial groups.
  - hsjqllzlfkf 3y ago
    It's not "great for everyone". It's not great for individuals in the categories that up until now had been advantaged. I really don't understand why it's so difficult for some people to acknowledge that we should ban affirmative action AND that the banning of affirmative action will benefit some individuals (asian) and harm others (Latino, black).
dirtyid 3y ago
Always has been, affirmative action and policies that limit Asian education upward mobility is like the one issue I see masses apolitical asians consistently and vocally rally for in the last few years. MSM has been downplaying their frustrations for a long time though, mainly because most of the media savvy Asians / Asians who get MSM time are disproportionately “libtards” who are disconnected from the priorities of the broader Asian community.
- rayiner 3y ago
  My mom emailed me the SFFA decision before I even saw it. She was extremely relieved. She’s 71, immigrated from Bangladesh in her late 30s, blue dog democrat voter.

drewcoo 3y ago

> Why not also say “this is great news for whites!” No. It's because of this: https://www.amren.com/news/2015/10/the-asian-white-naep-test-score-gaps-by-state/ https://www.amren.com/news/2015/10/the-asian-white-naep-test... > No one actually benefits from institutionalized racism. Really? I'm sure it must benefit someone . . .

nonethewiser 3y ago
Ultimately no, it benefits no one. Obviously some groups benefit admission-wise but that pales in comparison to living in a racist society. The benefit someone may receive is going to be less than the detriment to society. Even if you were granted all favor based on your race with day of reckoning (nevermind inevitable strife), dont you believe that on some deeper level you are worse off than if you earned from your merit?
Simulacra 3y ago
The term "institutional racism" is such a strawman argument. It acts as a catch all for essentially claiming institutions, coincidentally universities and government, are 100% racist. That just doesn't hold water given the past twenty years of these very same institutions doing everything they can legally and illegally do to boost minority inclusion. The ugly truth is that everyone is racist to a degree, no matter the color of their skin, and any opportunity or requirement that a person be judged on the color of their skin is unconstitutional.

hsjqllzlfkf 3y ago

> This isn’t true from what I’ve seen. The major talking point was “this is great for asians!” > Which I think is a problematic take. This ruling is precisely NOT about giving people “their due” based off their race. Asians* are great academically. That's the whole reason why Harvard made being Asian count negative. So yes, this will be great for Asians. Doesn't matter that the intention isn't to give people their due. What matters is that the practical outcome is that if you're Asian and wanted to apply to Harvard, your probably of getting in, everything else being equal, just went way up. * Who is included in "Asian", and how homogeneous the various subsets are is a long conversation and beside the point of my comment.

nonethewiser 3y ago
Its great for everyone. I recognize admission-wise Asian and White people have more to gain on average but the point is this is a win for society. Its not a tug of war between racial groups.
- hsjqllzlfkf 3y ago
  It's not "great for everyone". It's not great for individuals in the categories that up until now had been advantaged. I really don't understand why it's so difficult for some people to acknowledge that we should ban affirmative action AND that the banning of affirmative action will benefit some individuals (asian) and harm others (Latino, black).

dirtyid 3y ago

Always has been, affirmative action and policies that limit Asian education upward mobility is like the one issue I see masses apolitical asians consistently and vocally rally for in the last few years. MSM has been downplaying their frustrations for a long time though, mainly because most of the media savvy Asians / Asians who get MSM time are disproportionately “libtards” who are disconnected from the priorities of the broader Asian community.

rayiner 3y ago
My mom emailed me the SFFA decision before I even saw it. She was extremely relieved. She’s 71, immigrated from Bangladesh in her late 30s, blue dog democrat voter.